Author Topic: To weld or not to weld (Read 7158 times)

taco john · « **on:** Apr 08, 2008, 06:05:25 AM »

Have a 98 taco, thinking on welding the rear axle, thoughts??? Ideas, slaps in the face are all welcome, really want to have the rear locked, but dont know if its worth putting in a locker yet.....

DTB · « **Reply #1 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 06:15:56 AM »

well, once the gears are welded they are welded....are you planning on re-gearing at all when you install the locker or anytime soon? If so then you would have to buy new gears

taco john · « **Reply #2 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 06:28:59 AM »

Well I was thinking of regearing once the welded gears broke (if I do weld them) and then going with a locker, just dont really know what to do, but I really want to lock it one way or the other.

DTB · « **Reply #3 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 06:31:01 AM »

Quote from: taco john on Apr 08, 2008, 06:28:59 AM

Well I was thinking of regearing once the welded gears broke (if I do weld them) and then going with a locker, just dont really know what to do, but I really want to lock it one way or the other.

What makes you think welded gears would break?

jonathan82toy · « **Reply #4 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 07:39:48 AM »

I've been running a welded rear for almost 3 years DD and have no issues

Intrepidyota · « **Reply #5 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 07:48:27 AM »

Quote from: DirToyBoy on Apr 08, 2008, 06:15:56 AM

well, once the gears are welded they are welded....are you planning on re-gearing at all when you install the locker or anytime soon? If so then you would have to buy new gears

Errr....

That is stating the obvious, if you regear, you need to buy new gears. If you kept the same gears, it isn't exactly regearing.

I have run a welded rear on the street and I don't mind it all at, never broken one either. You do have to get used to chirping tires when you are driving around corners, mostly obvious in parking lots and such.

DTB · « **Reply #6 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 07:51:58 AM »

Quote from: Intrepidyota on Apr 08, 2008, 07:48:27 AM

Errr.... That is stating the obvious, if you regear, you need to buy new gears. If you kept the same gears, it isn't exactly regearing.

yea i know i was just saying that once the gears are welded he cant add a locker...the whole gearset would need to be replaced...he mentioned he eventually wants to add a "real" locker... or maybe im not quite awake yet this morning

taco john · « **Reply #7 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 09:03:46 AM »

Glad I asked on here, all of my jeepin buddies are all way against it, but all of the yota owners say weld it and ride it until you have to install a "real" locker. Thanks fellas...

DTB · « **Reply #8 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 09:11:56 AM »

Quote from: taco john on Apr 08, 2008, 09:03:46 AM

Glad I asked on here, all of my jeepin buddies are all way against it, but all of the yota owners say weld it and ride it until you have to install a "real" locker. Thanks fellas...

what do jeep guys know?

hehehehe

jonathan82toy · « **Reply #9 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 09:16:20 AM »

tom w. · « **Reply #10 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 09:24:12 AM »

Quote from: DirToyBoy on Apr 08, 2008, 07:51:58 AM

yea i know i was just saying that once the gears are welded he cant add a locker...the whole gearset would need to be replaced...he mentioned he eventually wants to add a "real" locker... or maybe im not quite awake yet this morning

I don't think that's right... Because you only weld the spider gears, right? so your ring and pinion should still be intact, and a "real" locker replaces the spiders anyway, right?

Except for like an aussie, or a lock-right, then you would just need a new carrier.

Right?

DTB · « **Reply #11 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 09:29:02 AM »

yea ur right...new carrier...coffee hadnt kicked in this morning

tom w. · « **Reply #12 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 09:30:32 AM »

Quote from: DirToyBoy on Apr 08, 2008, 09:29:02 AM

yea ur right...new carrier...coffee hadnt kicked in this morning

Noobs

kiyul4130 · « **Reply #13 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 07:45:37 PM »

mines been welded up for 7 months or so now and i cant stand driving it around anymore. i would not recommend it. get a lockrite locker or something atleast. im glad i have another car to drive around. im going to get a lockrite whenever i can.

94MtnYote · « **Reply #14 on:** Apr 08, 2008, 10:45:57 PM »

Wouldn't an Aussie be a better choice over a Lockrite?

taco john · « **Reply #15 on:** Apr 09, 2008, 07:41:36 AM »

Lock Rite and Aussie both , told me that they had not yet made a locker for my truck, have only found Detroit and ARB for options on a rear locker. Is this wrong?

Intrepidyota · « **Reply #16 on:** Apr 09, 2008, 08:39:16 AM »

98 taco? There should be a lockright for that AND a powertrax locker IIRC.

Ramrod · « **Reply #17 on:** Apr 09, 2008, 10:32:55 AM »

i have the rear welded on my taco, it gets good traction but it can be kinda sketchy in the rain and such. It also pushes my truck over in turns and make it lean like a cholo but its cool

lilbuddy · « **Reply #18 on:** Apr 09, 2008, 12:21:58 PM »

I had a welded rear in my 86 runner that was my dd and i absolutely hated it. it wore down the tires, not too bad, but noticeable, it was fun/sketchy in the rain but like ramrod said it gives you some majorrrrrrrr lean when you like turn into a parking space.

I wouldnt recommend it for a DD.

Oh And I broke two somehow. The first carrier i broke it broke it completely in half and the second one i broke the person that i got it from welded it really

and the welds broke.

Hyena · « **Reply #19 on:** Apr 14, 2008, 09:19:12 PM »

to each his own. some people hate it, some people like it. i liked having mine when i dd it for 3 years.

taco john · « **Reply #20 on:** Apr 15, 2008, 05:15:35 AM »

Quote from: Intrepidyota on Apr 09, 2008, 08:39:16 AM

98 taco? There should be a lockright for that AND a powertrax locker IIRC.

Hvent found any other option but the detroit and arb, thinking more along the lines of a junk yard, trying to find a complete rear axle from the same year that came with a stock e locker, thoughts??

RIrunnerSR5 · « **Reply #21 on:** Apr 16, 2008, 08:36:00 PM »

buy an elocker. its the only way to be happy

Intrepidyota · « **Reply #22 on:** Apr 17, 2008, 04:19:59 AM »

Quote from: RIrunnerSR5 on Apr 16, 2008, 08:36:00 PM

buy an elocker. its the only way to be happy

False! Trail rig is the only way to be happy.

Toymin8r · « **Reply #23 on:** Apr 17, 2008, 05:16:48 AM »

Quote from: tom w. on Apr 08, 2008, 09:24:12 AM

I don't think that's right... Because you only weld the spider gears, right? so your ring and pinion should still be intact, and a "real" locker replaces the spiders anyway, right?

Except for like an aussie, or a lock-right, then you would just need a new carrier.

Right?

I'm glad someone here knows what they are talking about. You weld the spider gears in the carrier to "lincoln" lock an axle. Re-gearing only changes the ring and pinion. However, if you get any locker in the future you replace the carrier with the locker.

tom w. · « **Reply #24 on:** Apr 17, 2008, 04:15:30 PM »

Isn't it also best to weld the spider gears TO the carrier?

93tonkatoy · « **Reply #25 on:** Apr 17, 2008, 05:26:30 PM »

I welded my third in February. When I welded it, I only welded the spiders to each other, but made 4 passes on each side (one center, one toward each gear, then another in the center, welded them slowly for good penetration and good build.) 4 good weld points with 4 good passes, but I did not weld the bevel gears to the carrier. I am running 36's on it, so, I know I am putting a lot of bind on it in corners.

The BFG AT KO's I was running, barked and bucked every time I turned, but the 36" IROKs are silent and don't bind the suspension while turning.

Yes, it will cause your rear tires to wear faster, but, unless you are turning at slow speeds most of the time, It will not be very much. On a set of 50k mile rated tires, you may scrub 5k off due to a welded or spooled rear (also depends on the weight on the rear axle - 4runners and heavily loaded pickups will wear a little more.

I am very happy with mine. I have loaded it, unloaded it, pulled a trailer - loaded, and have no problems. the best free mod I could have done to improve the capability of the truck.

taco john · « **Reply #26 on:** Apr 19, 2008, 12:10:27 PM »

Thanks for all of the help, i went ahead and bought The detroit soft locker for the rear.

potter85 · « **Reply #27 on:** Jul 28, 2009, 04:16:25 PM »

i have detroits front and rear. Not the soft locker tho. i love mine sometimes it pops on the road when it is raining or if i am haulin ass around corners. gets a little scary sometimes but also fun... a welded rearend sucks... If you like funny looks when trying to pull into a parking spot or a ticket for "exibition of speed" for supposedly "burning out" then go for it

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