Topic: 40 Reasons for Gun Control

[BLACKDOG]

Stole this from Reno4x4, thought it was pretty good

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands

[Stocker]

Pretty darn good list, Jason -- each one makes you think just a bit!  Thanks for posting!   

[abnormaltoy]

Hey! Don't be trying to confuse the issue with logic and facts...that's not fair. 

[Rocksurfer]

Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

[red]

all true. forgot a few things though. countries that have had complete gun control do not have governments that run unchecked against their citizens, Germany and Russia during WWII are examples of this with only slaughtering millions of people.

[NorCalToy]

thats kinda funny, how bs the whole gun control thing is.

[red]

i like the statement larry the cable guy made, "if guns kill people i can blame mispelled words on my pencil."

[Stocker]

i like the statement larry the cable guy made, "if guns kill people i can blame mispelled words on my pencil."

And spoons made Rosie O'Donnel fat...

[brainlessfool]

I think the fools of the world need them to. how elas or we to fend off the smrat ones? 

[Goose]

Hey, im all for gun control...
I use two hands to steady my m4 tactical.

[bigdaddypoppop]

I actually had a chance to talk to Sarah Brady. She asked me my opinion of her gun control bill.  I told her Gun control is hitting what you aim at, and with all due respect Hinkley wasn't aimin at your husband.

She just said thank you and handed the phone back to my relative.

[Doof]

ill read after i get back from class....the name caught my attention

back in two hours

[Stocker]

I actually had a chance to talk to Sarah Brady. She asked me my opinion of her gun control bill.  I told her Gun control is hitting what you aim at, and with all due respect Hinkley wasn't aimin at your husband.

You, sir, made the absolute best of a once-in-a-lifetime golden opportunity.   

[skipnrocks]

The one I always like is how people cant be trusted to keep the law therefore ban guns and everyone will get rid of theirs!!!   

[46&2]

hahaha nice list 

[Doof]

that was good list...

if the gove went around collecting guns i would take mine and burry then in the back yard, and once they showed up i would say i sold them or they blew up so i threw them away. when they go bye bye i find the shovel and go duck hunting 

[germ]

First off...Jason  This is wonderful!

I thought I would add a few select comments (not that anyone really cares, but it make me feel better)

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
Of course! anything that takes away from the message that the liberals want to preach is merly brushed aside. Why should facts get in the way of ideology

]4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
This is because they were talking about it since 1991, and we all know that discussing something will make a dramatic and measurable change, much more than actually doing something intelligent

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
The law specifically denies access to guns by people who have a diagnosis of mental illness, which of course paranoia is one of them. Therefore, you cannot own a gun if you are worried that you may actually need to use it

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
Obviously inspired by the most crafty criminals of them all, the liberal government

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
Isn't this totally obvious?

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
Somehow, this is like the suicide bomber mentality, which I just don't get

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).
Not sure if you realize this, but Pete Shields almost got the Nobel Peace Prize, but Gore won instead...His logic was a bit fuzzier, and the judges didn't quite understand what Gore was doing, thereby making him the winner

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery. 

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.
Interesting how the government will "interpret" things to their advantage...not that they have a history of this or anything...

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
This is just plain insanity

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.
This is perfect circular logic, which defies explanation

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy. 

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed. Just like when peolpe enter a hospital they turn into surgeons, or in a restaurant they're chefs...Makes perfect sense

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
This is the typical big government midnset, which holds as a basic tenet that Americans are stupid, and cannot think for themselves, and therefore need a government entity to think for them. The worst part is that they are systematically dumbing down the population so that it is becoming a reality. They wrongly assume that people will blindly follow laws no matter how inane they are

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
Wonder how long this will be true with all the identity theft and "white collar" crimes taking place. If we're not careful these rights may be lost as well (hmmmm George Orwell's 1984....)

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
Just like Jessie Jackson is a crusader for avenging the socital evils...as long as you are part of the group with right skin color your the victim

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
And Michael Moore is an educated, unbiased film maker who only wishes to enlighten the masses with the untarnished truth. Al Gore is a scrupulous scientist who is world renowned for his infallible study of global climate, and is a recognized leader by example of how to conserve energy.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
And God forbid they should get injured while protecting you, 'cause they could sue you for placing them in an unsafe situation without the adequate warnings

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
Interesting how they're so concerned with the everyday person, but don't care two whits about all the criminals who are already legally banned from owning guns and who use them on a regular basis. Why don't they focus their energy and resources on preventing criminals from using guns, and leave the rest of us alone


If you ask me (I know, nobody did), gun control rates right up there with Global Warming for it's basis on fact. It is purely an emotional issue with lots of pseudo-facts being thrown around without any regard for the truth. There is a part of me that thinks that it is a government conspiracy to try and dumb down and unarm the american people so the "elite" can do whatever they want. I think if we did away with all gun control, we would probably see a small up-tick in the murder rate for a short time, as idiots killed each other off, (Darwin theory) but then I think we'd see a dramatic drop in the violent crime rate because hoodlums would'nt know who was armed and who wasn't, and most are not brave enough to go find out.

Erik

[46&2]

If you ask me (I know, nobody did), gun control rates right up there with Global Warming for it's basis on fact. It is purely an emotional issue with lots of pseudo-facts being thrown around without any regard for the truth. There is a part of me that thinks that it is a government conspiracy to try and dumb down and unarm the american people so the "elite" can do whatever they want. I think if we did away with all gun control, we would probably see a small up-tick in the murder rate for a short time, as idiots killed each other off, (Darwin theory) but then I think we'd see a dramatic drop in the violent crime rate because hoodlums would'nt know who was armed and who wasn't, and most are not brave enough to go find out.

Erik

 

Amen buddy. The sad part is that most Americans would rather just believe what they are spoon-fed on CNN and Fox News instead of seek the truth themselves. Obviously if Al Gore says its true, its true! Why question authority??

I enjoyed your responces to the prior post. priceless 

[germ]

Interesting read. It's a bit long, so I won't post the entire text here, but it seems the Supreme Court is going to wade into the gun control issue. It'll be interesting to see what the outcome is.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20071120/D8T1KLK00.html

Erik

[Goose]

wonderful... more  :bull crap:

[Doof]

I think if we did away with all gun control, we would probably see a small up-tick in the murder rate for a short time, as idiots killed each other off, (Darwin theory) but then I think we'd see a dramatic drop in the violent crime rate because hoodlums would'nt know who was armed and who wasn't, and most are not brave enough to go find out.

Erik

well put   

never thought of it like that but it is seems like it would work once i think about it. here is an example:
a pure snatcher would suspect a granny to be packin a 357 on her hip under her jacket. so when he grabs and runs he would think "o im home free" and then BANG a gaping hole is now in the front of his chest and there is the nice old granny holding the gun, calmy walks over to the guy and gets her purse back and walks on. people would know not to mess with her and just be on their way... its a little extereme but it could happen

edit: i was going to quote an excerpt from the above link about the court ruling and what not, but once i had it in here it didnt make sence with what i was going to say. but this pisses me off. i dont know where to start. if i want to own a gun, i am going to get the background check, but the gun lock at the store, and sign the papers, wait my ten days and pick up my gun. i have nothing to worry about since i have not done anything to make the government think i am a danger to society. but the fact that i have followed every gun law to my knowledge and havent stepped outside the lines because i feel guns loaded or unloaded and taken apart should be handled like they are loaded. safety is something i do not take lightly when it comes to guns. and the fact that some jackass who sits inside all day pshing papers across the country can make laws like this that does not effect them is retarded. what gives them the right to make that kind of law? they have no right what so ever. they only hear about what the "bad people" do with their guns, they only hear the negative things about guns and how stupid  people choose to use them. they do not hear the good things that the responsible people do, or the rules and regulations we follow day to day. its STUPID. and this was something i found to be interesting in spending the weekend with my dad. a lil background on him before i go off on another rant. he was born and raised with gun safety, got his first .22 at a very young age, i think around 7 or 8. since day one did all the right things. went to vietnam and spent 3 years over there in radio. used the military issue gun there did just fine. now some 39 years later the he saw and went through over there is cathing up with him and now has PTSD.  he was telling me that he got a letter in the mail saying the vietnam vets with PTSD who own guns will have them confinscated due to the PTSD and being unstable. that is absolute bull . there is nothing wrong with him when it comes to those guns. they stay locked up 24/7 is a big safe and the key is only a spot where he knows and the combo is one that only he knows. the only time those guns see day light are is when i want to go shooting. and the fact that he served this country, almost died over there, and now gets this letter in the mail saying that he is basically worthless and cannot be trusted with a gun is flat out retarded. whoever came up with that little rule needs to go and shove one and focus time and money on things that need attention. not what some vet is doing and how they spend their time. imo vets should get a lot of breaks since they lay everything on the line day in day out in the war zone. then come home and get this kind of treatment is not cool. im done for now, i have work tomorrow at 530 and i need to wind down now

[red]

that is incredibly screwed up man. if i was your dad i would not give up my weapons.

here is how gun control should be. did anybody see the news report a few weeks ago of that 11 year old girl (i believe in montana) who killed one intruder and severely wounded the other (2 30ish hispanic males) that broke into her house when she was home alone? THAT is the right kind of gun control. what would have happened to her had she not known how to shoot? robbed for certain, possibly raped/murdered (the severly wounded guy was shot in the crotch/abdomen with her shotgun).

[46&2]

that is incredibly screwed up man. if i was your dad i would not give up my weapons.

here is how gun control should be. did anybody see the news report a few weeks ago of that 11 year old girl (i believe in montana) who killed one intruder and severely wounded the other (2 30ish hispanic males) that broke into her house when she was home alone? THAT is the right kind of gun control. what would have happened to her had she not known how to shoot? robbed for certain, possibly raped/murdered (the severly wounded guy was shot in the crotch/abdomen with her shotgun).

Good. that is what I like to hear. Someday, when I have children of my own they are going to be trained in the proper use and safety protocol of a firearm from a very young age. its a shame stories like this dont get out more often I heard nothing of it.

[Doof]

that is incredibly screwed up man. if i was your dad i would not give up my weapons.

here is how gun control should be. did anybody see the news report a few weeks ago of that 11 year old girl (i believe in montana) who killed one intruder and severely wounded the other (2 30ish hispanic males) that broke into her house when she was home alone? THAT is the right kind of gun control. what would have happened to her had she not known how to shoot? robbed for certain, possibly raped/murdered (the severly wounded guy was shot in the crotch/abdomen with her shotgun).

yea my dad was like no way in hell thats gunna happen

that lil girl is awsome, thats hella funny and im glad she is ok,,,buy her an ice cream cone

[46&2]

yea my dad was like no way in hell thats gunna happen

that lil girl is awsome, thats hella funny and im glad she is ok,,,buy her an ice cream cone

id buy her at least a pint

[Doof]

diper sniper!!!

[Goose]

Smart girl...
I'm all for home protection.
I believe in Oklahoma it is completely legal to shoot and kill an intruder in your house? wish it was the same in Ca...
I know I'd done the same as the girl, i keep my shottie loaded and my ears up at night.
The mean barking dog in the back helps too, but this is my baby:
 

[red]

currently my home protection is a remington 870 20 guage loaded with buck shot and a full choke barrel. wierd thing is with it being choked so much it kicks harder than my buddies 12 guage (spread at 50 yards with my shotgun is roughly 8" with game load). i'll upgrade my home defense after i save up some money while i'm in the air force.

i know what you mean about the dogs, my sister used to have a female pit bull and a male german shephard (his parents were both police dogs) and it was hilarious when she would go places because she would always bring them with her. people would see her at maybe 5'2" petite with 2 large dogs walking beside her (german shephard weighed more than she did haha).

[Doof]

my protection is a dure... i mean a reme 870 12 gauge....super stoked on it. i usually keep full choke in it, just in case. if somebody wants to  with me i want to  them up if it comes down to that point. i figure the sound of the action is enough to make somebody their pants if they break in and dont know im home

[red]

my protection is a dure... i mean a reme 870 12 gauge....super stoked on it. i usually keep full choke in it, just in case. if somebody wants to  with me i want to  them up if it comes down to that point. i figure the sound of the action is enough to make somebody their pants if they break in and dont know im home

i can agree to just the sound of the action scaring people off. i had mine resting beside my bed in my apartment when i lived in midland texas, was startin to go to bed when i heard somebody messin with my lock. knew it wasnt my girlfriend because she was asleep beside me so i rolled outta bed and cocked the shotgun. in the other room i hear somebody say "oh !!" and running footsteps out my front door and down the stairs. good thing i have insomnia i guess.