Am I crazy???

[DsrtJeeper]

I posted this on Pirate and I'll probably cause quite a stir:

"OK....I gotta ask. Here in AZ; we have some of the most difficult trails in the country. Why is it that I see so many Yota buggies and trucks successfully running Yota axles with Longfields without many problems? If you guys are breaking R&P's; I'd guess there was improper gear setup without solid spacers or someone's driving balls to the wall. I've seen buggies on 42's running Yota axles and pounding them over some of the roughest terrain. I just don't get it. I would understand if many are running larger engines combined with larger tires. The rigs pictured do look sick with full widths, but you lose the lightweight advantage."

Please add your input here. I'm curious.

[jimbo74]

wahts the question? why dont yotas break when upgraded?

[MiniSimp]

Yes you are crazy.

Anything can be broken, we just try harder.

[mudaddict]

  i agree haha!

[79coyotefrg]

i dont get it
is he pro yota 

[jimbo74]

i dont get it
is he pro yota 

im with glen, i cant tell if he is trying to bash toyotas, or saying he doenst understand why yota axles are tough, or what.... on a strength note, i would take a yota axle over a dana 44

[BigMike]

I ran factory birfields and inner axles for 3 years with 35" MTRs with a 177 ft-lb TQ engine geared to 510:1 and I never broke anything.

It's all how you drive; Drive Accordingly


BigMike

[iNfErNaL]

His question is why is everyone OUTSIDE of arizona is breaking their yota axles.He's saying that there are a bunch of Yota guys there running large tires and they aren't breaking so he's asking if everyone is setting up their gears properly.

[Rocksurfer]

You'd be right it's driving style those Cali guys are tough on thier junk.

[Tice]

The AZ guys break plenty.  I (knock on wood) haven't broke anything in a while.  Though my steering starting acting up this weekend and only with the hubs locked!! I'm scared to open up the axle cuz I think it might be a 30 spline!

[DsrtJeeper]

Sorry for the confusion guys. I have a tubed, bobbed, linked F&R '85 4Runner with dual cases with 4.7's in rear case, 5.29's and rear spool-front Detroit. I'm new to the Yota thing as I switched over from Jeeps.

I'm about ready to dump some cash on the 30 spline Longs and the Pirate post got me thinking. Guys are complaining of bent and trashed housings, constant leaking seals, broken R&P's, steering arm breakage and exploding hubs. My rig currently sits with a leaky front inner axle seal dripping fluid out of the knuckle.   Some guys claim that they have dumped enough money into Yota axles to pay for a built 60???

I just used AZ as an example as that's where I wheel. Thanks!

[MiniSimp]

Are you asking if it is worth fixing up a toyota axle?
Or are you asking if it is worth getting longs?
Or are you asking how to properly set up knuckle shims so that your axle doesn't leak?
Or are you asking how to install Marlin's new seals so your axle doesn't leak?
Or what?

[DsrtJeeper]

Are you asking if it is worth fixing up a toyota axle?
Or are you asking if it is worth getting longs?
Or are you asking how to properly set up knuckle shims so that your axle doesn't leak?
Or are you asking how to install Marlin's new seals so your axle doesn't leak?
Or what?

Yes
Yes
Didn't know about this
New seals? I have alot to learn.

[DsrtJeeper]

Here's the thread on Pirate:
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=544882

[MiniSimp]

Yes
Yes
Didn't know about this
New seals? I have alot to learn.

For fixing up a toyota axle all you need is an Aussie locker & Precision Gears set up by River City Differentials, Marlin's Knuckle ball gussets, Marlin's new axle seals, and 30 spline Longfields.
That should be good for up to 40" tires and hard driving.
As for setting up your knuckle properly there is a SST you can buy.

[DsrtJeeper]

For fixing up a toyota axle all you need is an Aussie locker & Precision Gears set up by River City Differentials, Marlin's Knuckle ball gussets, Marlin's new axle seals, and 30 spline Longfields.
That should be good for up to 40" tires and hard driving.
As for setting up your knuckle properly there is a SST you can buy.

SST? I've been looking at the ball gussets and my shock mounts are right in the way. Shock mounts are on top of axle tube. We have a local guy who supposedly does excellent Yota gear installs. http://www.gearinstalls.com/index.htm
What about the ARB stud kits for knuckles and steering arms? Any good? Also; Long's hub gears needed?
Thanks again!

[MiniSimp]

SST? I've been looking at the ball gussets and my shock mounts are right in the way. Shock mounts are on top of axle tube. We have a local guy who supposedly does excellent Yota gear installs. http://www.gearinstalls.com/index.htm
What about the ARB stud kits for knuckles and steering arms? Any good? Also; Long's hub gears needed?
Thanks again!

Gearinstalls is very good!
Yes
Optional, but if you can yes.

[alwayzbroken]

The AZ guys break plenty.  I (knock on wood) haven't broke anything in a while.  Though my steering starting acting up this weekend and only with the hubs locked!! I'm scared to open up the axle cuz I think it might be a 30 spline!

I broke a 30 spline long last weekend with 38s. If you have the first run versions like I did, you probably should pull them out and check to see if there are tight then send them in. Mine were really tight right before they broke.

[DsrtJeeper]

I broke a 30 spline long last weekend with 38s. If you have the first run versions like I did, you probably should pull them out and check to see if there are tight then send them in. Mine were really tight right before they broke.

It's these reports that worry me. What were the trail circumstances of your breakage?

Your user name worries me too! LOL! 

[DsrtJeeper]

OK. Now I see that Marlins ball gusset kit includes shock mount. Good deal! Now what is the SST? 

[alwayzbroken]

It's these reports that worry me. What were the trail circumstances of your breakage?

Your user name worries me too! LOL! 

The circumstances were, as hard as it may be to believe, they are things that cannot be crawled and must be powered through. Some things need momentum and full throttle. There was another guy in our group that blew up his t-case with 35s. This video is one example of where we wheel and when crawling doesn't cut it. We took a toyota on 35s up that hill, the next vehicle was a bronco with 60s and 42s that could not make it halfway up  That hill is much worse in person than it looks on video. The front of those logs is dug out, the hill is steep as hell, and it is all sand.

[alwayzbroken]

It's these reports that worry me. What were the trail circumstances of your breakage?

My rear was stuck on a log and my front was freely spinning on the dirt when it let go. I am guessing the breakage was due to accumulated abuse since there was no reason it should have broke where I was.

[MiniSimp]

My rear was stuck on a log and my front was freely spinning on the dirt when it let go. I am guessing the breakage was due to accumulated abuse since there was no reason it should have broke where I was.

All I can say is WOW

[alwayzbroken]

All I can say is WOW

Haha, I was confused when i saw that picture. That was out of a fullsize blazer I bought that was a mudtruck. Cleaning that crap out really sucked as I am sure you can imagine. I pulled the plug on the t-case and water came out for the first 15 seconds before any ATF came out!

[Gittinit]

That vid is cool! You should convince that fella to come down to Flatnasty with you, I want to see some balls out, no fear of breaking, wheeling like that. Whats up with the Grease in the diff?


And just to keep with the topic a little....Yes you are crazy! If you think that breaking or not breaking is the difference between wheeling hard and not wheeling hard you are Wrong. 

[twistedtoy92]

just get the 30 spline longs, chromo hub gears, aisin lockouts, very good R&P setup with some sort of elocker or aussie or arb........ and run the out of it!!!! by the way, that diff looks like a baby took a in there!!

[alwayzbroken]

by the way, that diff looks like a baby took a in there!!

more like a loose bull

[alwayzbroken]

If you think that breaking or not breaking is the difference between wheeling hard and not wheeling hard you are Wrong. 

Throttle is the difference! When crawling fails, giving it usually doesn't. Breaking and not breaking is not necessarily all that wheeling hard consists of, but people who wheel hard are the ones that break most often. Funny how that works.

[Tice]

I broke a 30 spline long last weekend with 38s. If you have the first run versions like I did, you probably should pull them out and check to see if there are tight then send them in. Mine were really tight right before they broke.

I have the second run. Friends of mine runnning the first set have broke them already. One of them is running the newest set. He had to do some very minor grinding to get them in.

[alwayzbroken]

I have the second run. Friends of mine runnning the first set have broke them already. One of them is running the newest set. He had to do some very minor grinding to get them in.

Are the first run versions and second runs different as far as getting them into the axle? I was able to slide mine in no problem but I had a hell  of a time getting them out this time on the long side. I am guessing I have since bent the tube a little to make it hard. I had to pry it out with a pry bar from the sides.