flat jeep springs

[Not A Toy]

is there really any problems that can result from my rear leafs sitting pretty flat? I would replace them with some new ones but my jeep sits level and I dont want the back end to sit up higher. I just want to get some pov's so give me your       would stock springs add very much lift if i were to just put them back in off of a junker jeep.

[skipnrocks]

Depends on a couple thing, one what do you do with your jeep, is it a DD or trail rig, and second if the springs are wore out enough to be flat you may need to worry about axle wrap,  its bad stuff and can damage alot of crap. 

[Ruggedjeep]

axle wrap is an issue. Stock springs are not gonna give you lift. Its gonna put the rig where it needs to be. I would swap them.

[Not A Toy]

well its a dd/trail rig i have a 02' focus but its hard for me to drive around in it when i have the jeep you know? and there still a little arched just look like they are getting a little flat. your probably right swappin them would be best im afraid its going to be tall in the ass end though. then ill have to buy coil spacers i guess

[Not A Toy]

heres how it sits now......

[Not A Toy]

i guess it kinda actually looks lower in the rear, and you can kinda see the springs

[skipnrocks]

Yea springs dont look good,  I would replace them and if its your dd, I would try to find a deal on new springs,  I wouldnt want to put junker springs on a vehicle that I drive everyday.  Just me though, im kinda picky but i have a little one that I have in my rig with me. 

[Not A Toy]

well where do you think i should go to get some new ones at a decent price the internet?

[skipnrocks]

I havent had much experience with leafers But I hear Old man emu has some good stuff thats suposidly fairely cheap.  I would check out ebay too, theres always someone whos got stuff they thought they would use and didnt or maybe even got a new lift kit for a newer cherok and wants to get rid of their olds,  I think you can use any springs up to 2001 and they will work,  Do your research cause im more of a willys guy but I believe that would work just fine.  You would probaly be just fine as long as they work to go with a newer (up to 01) springs.  I just hate to see someone put springs from a yard on a nice rig.  Looks like to get new you would be lookin around 200 to 300 bucks for new ones online.  The ones on ebay were around 140 to 180.  Anyways hope this rambling has some usefull info.  Good luck and let us know what you got.   

[Not A Toy]

yeah i appreciate it man thanks for your time..  and willys are awesome i just dont have the money to get something older like that ya know?

[79coyotefrg]

hey  how wide  are  your springs??   if they are about 2.5 inches wide  then you could just  put a leaf from like a F150 pack under it

[Not A Toy]

ok man, i will look tomorrow to see what the width is im thinking that sounds about right.. can you tell me anything about them like will they give me lift leave me stock? I honestly think that my lift came from shackles... the guy said it had a 4.5 inch lift but for it being just put on awhile ago them leafs sure are in bad shape

[79coyotefrg]

the good thing about using F150's  as add a leafs   is  they rarely  loose  their spring rate,   so  if you ad  1 good  arched  f150  you should get  like 1 1/2 -2 inches of lift,  should put you back level


ive made springs  from toy packs  and ford packs  and  got  4-5 inches of lift,  but that was with like  2 toy  leaves  and 4 F150 leaves

[Ruggedjeep]

ok lets see here...

I highly doubt those leaf packs are stock. You've got way to much in the rear to have stocl leaf packs. No shackle is going to give you that much lift. If the previous owner said its a 4.5 lift, ist probably a 3.5 leaf pack with a 1.25 shackle. Take some up close pics of the rear..

It could also be a add-a-leaf with a 2" shackle...

Are there any blocks under the leaf pack ?

Old man emu makes some great leafs for XJ's but the biggest they make is 3" and they are insanly expensive. But they ride very nice.. or so ive heard.
Axle wrap shouldnt be an issue with those size tires.. not enough for it to really damage anything.

What i would suggest is you find out what size shackle you have and based on that you get leaf packs. I would stay away from ebay, they usually only sell rough country, and believe me you dont want those. They ride like .

Get a set of Rubicon Express 3.5" leaf packs and get some stock shackles from the junkyard.. That will put you at 4"(when it settles) in the rear.

As far as a basterd leaf pack.. I havent heard about f-150 springs working for an XJ.  If thats the route you wanna go, you would need dodge durango leafs, they are a direct bolt on. If you wanna do this, i suggest you read this thread on NAXJA all 13 pages of it
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=50083&highlight=11+leaf+pack
Do you have an SYE ?

[79coyotefrg]

i  dont recall saying the f150's  would  bolt  up,  just use  the individual leaves  as add a leafs

[Not A Toy]

rugged.... all the pictures dont show up...  ok i will get some pictures tomorrow for you guys to ponder on and hell no there arent any blocks. i saw a powerstroke the other day with 8-10" blocks no joke! so basically i should just redo my lift front and rear is that what your thinkin? because if i do the back end it will sit up higher. the tires are 31-10.50s and if there isnt going to be a problem with axle wrap should i even worry

[Ruggedjeep]

i  dont recall saying the f150's  would  bolt  up,  just use  the individual leaves  as add a leafs

doh ! didnt read your post good enough...

[Ruggedjeep]

rugged.... all the pictures dont show up...  ok i will get some pictures tomorrow for you guys to ponder on and hell no there arent any blocks. i saw a powerstroke the other day with 8-10" blocks no joke! so basically i should just redo my lift front and rear is that what your thinkin? because if i do the back end it will sit up higher. the tires are 31-10.50s and if there isnt going to be a problem with axle wrap should i even worry

yea that thread is years old some do some dont.. I dont think you should re-do the entire lift.. just grab some packs for the rear.. It'll be higher for a while, but they will settle in eventually.

[Not A Toy]

do you think that i should change the front coils too? they seem good still. ok well im on a tight budget so im torn between what to do..

[Not A Toy]

and if i wasnt on a tight budget then my jeep would look more like this   

[Ruggedjeep]

do you think that i should change the front coils too? they seem good still. ok well im on a tight budget so im torn between what to do..

no you dont need to change your front coils. Just get rear packs.
I recommend these. If you have lift shackles now, disregard them and grab stock ones from the bone yard and bolt these leaf packs on. At first it might seem to high, but it will eventually settle in and you'll be at 3.75 -4" lift.
http://www.jeepinoutfitters.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=348

[Not A Toy]

well would i get the 4.5 or the 3.5? and is sye slip yoke eliminator? if so then no i dont have that   

[Ruggedjeep]

well im running the 3.5 leaf pack with a 1.5" TnT shackle and running 35's. I used to have the Rubicon express 1.25" shackle which only gives you about .75 lift and i was clearing 33's with no rubbing. If you go 4.5" just know that you will be sitting at about 5" and those springs are stiff. The extra leaf makes a differance. I would suggest the 3.5 and maybe an 1.25 shackle but you will get away with your stock shackle.

[Not A Toy]

ok well ill get some decent pics put up tomorrow so you can see what im dealin with, the shackles are wierd! there not just two pieces of metal side by side its like one piece of metal thats been cut out for the leafs to fit does that make sense?

[Ruggedjeep]

anything like this ?


or like this

[Not A Toy]

ok heres some pics hopefully there good enough

[Not A Toy]

another

[Not A Toy]

 

[Ruggedjeep]

Well i could tell you they're not completely toast yet(but they will be soon). They still have a little arc to them. Looks like a 1.5" or 2" shackle, not sure what brand that is, havent seen that before.
just go ahead and get the 3.5" leaf pack.

[Fearofrunner]

Do you think they flatten out anymore though?  ive been running flat almost reversed springs on my runner for along time.  it just doesn't make sense to me that if his springs where shot then why wouldn't the back set noticeably lower than the front?