Topic: 6 inch IFS lifts Show or Go?

[Destruct O]

Are 6 inch IFS lifts for show or go he is my story.

I have been talking to my local shop about IFS suspension systems for my 00 taco. I want to get the OME kit, but they are trying to talk me into getting the 6" fabtech lift kit, they are willing to give me the fabtech kit at the same price as the OME kit. This did not seem right to me, the fabtech kit goes for $2,274.95 and the ome kit goes for $1,009.00 (before tax) I asked them what is wrong or what is missing form the fabtech kit? The salesman said there is nothing wrong and nothing is missing from the kit, the person that bought this kit bought it for the wrong year Toyota and he brought the kit back and we are trying to sell it but there are not to many of you Toyota guys around these parts and we are trying to get rid of it. The price is right for the amount of lift you get the things that makes me leery about this deal is 1. There is a big price difference of $1,265.95 I am not complaing its just that old saying is ringing in my head (if it is sounds to good to be true it probally is).  2. All the Toyotas that I have seen wheel IFS suspensions wheel a 3 inch lift. 3. I am dealing with people who are hardcore jeep fans.

[BLACKDOG]

Check these guys out

Solid axle Swap

http://www.allprooffroad.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=80

IFS kit

http://www.allprooffroad.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=95


Here is fabtech's website.  It looks there are a couple of different kit options.  If they've got the kit in hand, open it up, and look at the quality of the stuff.  I have no idea what quality fabtech is, so I can't say.  If they lift the same as the OME kit does, and it appears to be similar quality, then   from what I've heard, OME is great stuff, and fabtech seems to be more of the mallcrawler type.  I'd go with the Allpro 3link myself

http://www.fabtechmotorsports.com/applications/toyota/24wd95-056lug.html#app

[79coyotefrg]

dude,  anything  thats  gonna lift ifs  6 inches HAS  to drop the  diff,  and THAT  makes  for a weak  truck, 


i say

MALL CRAWLER

[mojavehanna]

Drop bracket lifts pretty much suck for wheeling. Sure you get lots of lift and can fit 35's, BUT you get no more flex or travel than stock, and now your CG is way up in the air. This makes the truck very tippy and can lead to a rollover more easily.

Drop bracket lifts used to be popular before the solid axle swap revolution, now they are avoided like the plague by real wheelers and have been relegated to mall wheeling status.

[Misfit4Runner]

theirs no way I would do a 6in IFS lift. if you don't plan on doing a sas but do plan on wheeling your rig, the OME is the way to go. As alot of the old guys around will tell yeah a lift is not always the best thing. A stock yota on some 31's with maybe a mild lift and alil driving skill will get you pretty much everywere

[Duffil]

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sorry brain fart.

[jtaco1]

Also check to make sure he is talking the 6" Fabtech as Fabtech also sells a coilover 3" kit, which from what I have heard is pretty crappy. 

Go with the OME setup, contact www.trdparts4u.com, they sell the OME kit for a great price.  I have the full OME and it is great, just get Bilstein rear shocks instead of the OME ones, everything else works together quite well.

[jimbo74]

the only IFS lift kit worth a crap is something along the lines of a long travel system....

otehr than that, they are show

[MiniSimp]

Only IFS Suspension I would go with (if I had to) would be from Total Chaos. But make sure you bring the green.

[MiniSimp]

dude,  anything  thats  gonna lift ifs  6 inches HAS  to drop the  diff

Not true, but you do have to make your a-arms about 8" longer on each side.

[Duffil]

Only IFS Suspension I would go with (if I had to) would be from Total Chaos. But make sure you bring the green.

according to the website they only do 2wd tacos.   My above post was a link to them, but then I noticed the product listing.

http://www.chaosfab.com

[854RUN]

according to the website they only do 2wd tacos. .

http://www.chaosfab.com

go to "suspension systems" at the top and the 2nd on down is 4wd toy's 

[jimbo74]

TC does 4wds.....

[BruceTS]

If you like rolling over get the 6" Fabtech lift or keep it on the street.
I run the Total Chaos Long travel system

[Destruct O [OP]]

Thank you all for your input. I choose not to get the 6inch Fab kit,
got to accustom with the way the truck handles and with the way I drive on road just spells disaster. 
 

[SC4Runner]

Its all relative. I don't consider myself a poser, I take my 4runner throughout Baja and Mexico, mainly to camp. There are river crossings, deep sand, mud lagoons, and smallish boulders to cross. 35" tires are sweet for this. A solid axle swap would have been not economical for me, I got a IFS lift for $400 used, and threw it on. I've had no problems with it. Do I plan on rocking it through the rubicon? f- no.

Lastly, the geometry of the suspension is at stock angles. No worries to breaking things due to awkward angles, and I'm happy with it!

Just my 

[46&2]

Only IFS Suspension I would go with (if I had to) would be from Total Chaos. But make sure you bring the green.

X2

I agree. If you arent going to SAS it and you dont want to spend signifigantly more for a hardcore IFS lift, just keep it stock and get some nice tires and rims or maybe a small lift like shackles and spacers or something. Spending over $1000 on a lift that isnt mean to do anything but raise your COG and allow bigger tires is a waste of money. If you dont plan on beating it or wheeling it much then I guess go for the OME kit but i would stay away from fabtech regardless.

Let me tell you though, if you spent the $$$ on the Total Chaos kit...trust me, you would wonder why it took you so long to get it in the first place. 

[86bobbedtoy]

do a sas, you will be way hapier in the long run.

[THK Matt]

do a sas, you will be way hapier in the long run.

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[BLACKDOG]

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But at the same time, if you don't have the skills, and do have the $$, an IFS life isn't all bad.  I've hammered mine   and people on here can attest to that.  My truck made it just fine on the 'con with a 4" Pro comp stage II lift.  Sure, knowing what I know now, a SAS would have been cheaper and better, and I'll do that eventually, but for now, I'm sticking with the IFS.  If you avoid binding your tires, get lower gearing, and don't hammer down on the rocks, you aren't going to pop much.  I've only broken 2 IFS axles, and both were doing something stupid that I know better than to do. 

[THK Matt]

x3

But at the same time, if you don't have the skills, and do have the $$, an IFS life isn't all bad.  I've hammered mine   and people on here can attest to that.  My truck made it just fine on the 'con with a 4" Pro comp stage II lift.  Sure, knowing what I know now, a SAS would have been cheaper and better, and I'll do that eventually, but for now, I'm sticking with the IFS.  If you avoid binding your tires, get lower gearing, and don't hammer down on the rocks, you aren't going to pop much.  I've only broken 2 IFS axles, and both were doing something stupid that I know better than to do. 

and if you add cranked torsion bars and BJ spacers to the front.... 6-7in lift in suspension is achievable. if you want that high.
as for me... 4in of lift is fine to me... i dont mind cutting fenders.

i may rock my IFS longer then i want.... to be able to save for a SAS or just go IFS for a while til i get a new DD.

basically what BLACKDOG and I are saying is..... you dont NEED SAS... to be able to go places.
it just makes it MUCH EASIER!
weigh out the pros and cons.
dont spend money where you dont need it or will very soon be changing.

[DTB]

... mispost

[THK Matt]

... mispost

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[Destruct O [OP]]

i may rock my IFS longer then i want.... to be able to save for a SAS or just go IFS for a while til i get a new DD.

basically what BLACKDOG and I are saying is..... you dont NEED SAS... to be able to go places.
it just makes it MUCH EASIER!
weigh out the pros and cons.
dont spend money where you dont need it or will very soon be changing.

Thanks guys well put.

[86bobbedtoy]

yeah goose on here is runnin ifs with 33s locked and it goes pretty damn good.

[BLACKDOG]

yeah goose on here is runnin ifs with 33s locked and it goes pretty damn good.

skill carries you a long way.  I'm locked on 35"s, and I'm really happy with how my truck preforms.  I'll do a SA eventually, but that isn't a top priority.  You'll actually develop a lot of skills with IFS, it forces you to be more technical, and choose your routes more carefully.  In the long run, I think it can make you a better wheeler. 

[Destruct O [OP]]

skill carries you a long way.  I'm locked on 35"s, and I'm really happy with how my truck preforms.  I'll do a SA eventually, but that isn't a top priority.  You'll actually develop a lot of skills with IFS, it forces you to be more technical, and choose your routes more carefully.  In the long run, I think it can make you a better wheeler. 

My Supervisor and his assistant were arguing over that same subject the other day.
Is your rig locked front and rear?

[BLACKDOG]

yes it is, detroit rear, lockrite front.  I've only broken 2 front axles, and both of them were from being stupid, doing something that I knew would probably break them

[THK Matt]

did you upgrade anything up front BLACKDOG?
HD axles?
HD Torsion Bars?
BJ Spacers?
Type of shocks?

[Destruct O [OP]]

Is there any one who is running Downey's Mega new long travel suspension kit for 86 -95 Toyota's?

http://www.downeyoff-road.com/SuspensionComponents/1986-95.html

I know it is for 86-95 Toyota's, it looks like Downey is making the same kit for 95 1/2 to 04 Toyota's

http://www.downeyoff-road.com/SuspensionComponents/1995-04_Tacoma.html