911 Have you forgot?

[rednk1980]

Ya know, I had intended a nice civilized reply on this thread when I got home this evening, but then I stumbled upon this little gem on the pirate board.  Johnnyboy, this is a direct quote from what you said on the pirate board

(linky)  http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=538595

Thats just f'ing disrespectful dude   Not to Toby Keith, or to Lee Greenwood, I don't give a damn how you feel about them.  Speaking about anyone who died in that tragedy (other than the bastards who planned it)  is just plain wrong.  I'm not raising this above any other tragedy, I feel the same about OKC, the USS Cole, etc.  No one deserves to have to choose death by fire or thousand foot drop.  What the hell is the matter with you, I'm glad you didn't forget, now start caring.  You posted about all tragedies being equal in previous posts, so where's the compassion now?    if you treat all tragedies, and all people like this, I certainly do feel sorry for you.

No, we needn't dwell on the past, or forsake the future, but if we forget the events that frame our world, we wil fall back onto the mistakes of our forefathers, something we should never do.  So yes, remember 911, yes remember OKC, remember the USS Cole, remember every single gosh darn soldier that ever died for this wonderful nation, most of them 1000s of miles away from their homes, and show some f'ing respect!!

 

Well Said 

[abnormaltoy]

BD..."I'm glad you didn't forget, now start caring." nice! 

Jimbo...I hate it when threads get locked. If he gets bannned...Oh well

[johnny_boy02]

that attitude exactly, thinking everything you said is gospel

the guy posts a thread saying i made a tribute to 9/11, you coem on here and saying we dont need to see your crap all over the internet why dont you make one for all tragedies.....

Where did I call it crap.

[johnny_boy02]

i think this thread should now be deleted or locked, if it isnt, all i can forsee into the future is jonboy getting himself banned....

Show me where I have done or said anything that would cause being band.

[johnny_boy02]

Ya know, I had intended a nice civilized reply on this thread when I got home this evening, but then I stumbled upon this little gem on the pirate board.  Johnnyboy, this is a direct quote from what you said on the pirate board

(linky)  http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=538595

Thats just f'ing disrespectful dude   Not to Toby Keith, or to Lee Greenwood, I don't give a damn how you feel about them.  Speaking about anyone who died in that tragedy (other than the b*stds who planned it)  is just plain wrong.  I'm not raising this above any other tragedy, I feel the same about OKC, the USS Cole, etc.  No one deserves to have to choose death by fire or thousand foot drop.  What the hell is the matter with you, I'm glad you didn't forget, now start caring.  You posted about all tragedies being equal in previous posts, so where's the compassion now?    if you treat all tragedies, and all people like this, I certainly do feel sorry for you.

No, we needn't dwell on the past, or forsake the future, but if we forget the events that frame our world, we wil fall back onto the mistakes of our forefathers, something we should never do.  So yes, remember 911, yes remember OKC, remember the USS Cole, remember every single gosh darn soldier that ever died for this wonderful nation, most of them 1000s of miles away from their homes, and show some f'ing respect!!

 

You are right I did post that on Pirate. This is not Pirate. Do you comprehend sarcasm when you read it? This bored in not Pirate so my post here lacked sarcasm or smarta$$ness. I don't think the shock video this guy put together does anybody good. That is what fueled my post.

Where did I speak ill of anybody that was killed?

You make a lot of assumptions.

[Lady Di]

Jon Boy - if you are saying this has been posted repetedly in Chit Chat Camp then I could give a flying rats
People can post whatever they want, within the guidelines of the board, here.

If it has been posted on other boards, such as a tech board, or the sale section, where it should not be, then it should be moved here by a mod of those boards.
If a mod just doesn't happen to see that post/thread (we can not be everywhere), then you merely have to either PM a mod of the board or click the Report to Moderator button on the bottom right of the post and let them know it needs to be relocated.

And you make a lot of assumptions saying I removed your post because of my power to do so and a desire to abuse said power.
If that were the case I would not have put it back in the first place AND I would have modified Blackdogs subsequent post so as to appear as if your post never existed in the first place.
It was impulsize, I realized as soon as I did it that it was not the right thing to do.
It's been too long since we've had a good debate, we just don't want a mud slinging fest on Marlin. (of which, from your first post, you have basically done nothing but diss other members, their taste in music, and defend your actions. You're right, I knew TigerToy and you, sir, are no TigerToy, at least he knew how to hold a good debate).

If you, 88 or anybody else feel so strongly about other tragedies, such as OKC, then go ahead and start a "Lets Not Forget ____________ <-- fill in with tragedy du jour" thread.

If people want to remember 9-11 with graphic video's it is their perogative to do so, and your's to choose not to watch... or remember for that matter.
If you would rather choose to stick your head in the sand, and pretend nothing happened, it's a FREE COUNTRY, have at it.

  BTW - AT Katrina was the hurricane that destroyed LA. and yes, they had a good weeks notice to evacuate, again...it's a FREE COUNTRY and they chose to put themselves in harms way. The people in the WTC were not given that choice.    

[abnormaltoy]

  BTW - AT Katrina was the hurricane that destroyed LA. and yes, they had a good weeks notice to evacuate, again...it's a FREE COUNTRY and they chose to put themselves in harms way. The people in the WTC were not given that choice.    

I was in Ft. Lauderdale working when it was on it's way...I finished up the day it cruised across Southern Fl.

[daguy]

I want to thank you all for your support. I just would also thank the Men & Women who are serving in our country's Armed Forces! For its throw there blood that we are able to have these debates! God has Blessed this Country with a awesome military that keeps us Free and I for one will not Forget our be sarcastic about. I knew this video would piss some off but, I also knew it would get that true American Blood Pumping threw most as we remember that this is a cold and curl world we live in! Sometime we Forget that because we are so safe living in the USA!

I my self know that we have other problems here in the USA, I move from San Jose where as a young man I made bad choices and was stab three time, shot once & had a eye popped outa my head! But that was my choice to live like that! I move to keep my kids safe and still my son would rather run too where others turn to run from! And He is NOT THE ONLY ONE! These Kids yes KIDS average age in 18 to 22 but yet they would rather lay down there lives so we can have this debate!

GOD BLESS THEM AND KEEP THEM SAFE, AND LORD THE ONES THAT COME HOME TO YOU, I ASK YOU TELL THEM WE LOVE THEM FOR BEING HEROS AND LAYING DOWN THERE LIVE FOR US!


Thanks All
Guy

[Lady Di]

I want to thank you all for your support. I just would also thank the Men & Women who are serving in our country's Armed Forces! For its throw there blood that we are able to have these debates! God has Blessed this Country with a awesome military that keeps us Free and I for one will not Forget our be sarcastic about. I knew this video would piss some off but, I also knew it would get that true American Blood Pumping threw most as we remember that this is a cold and curl world we live in! Sometime we Forget that because we are so safe living in the USA!

I my self know that we have other problems here in the USA, I move from San Jose where as a young man I made bad choices and was stab three time, shot once & had a eye popped outa my head! But that was my choice to live like that! I move to keep my kids safe and still my son would rather run too where others turn to run from! And He is NOT THE ONLY ONE! These Kids yes KIDS average age in 18 to 22 but yet they would rather lay down there lives so we can have this debate!

GOD BLESS THEM AND KEEP THEM SAFE, AND LORD THE ONES THAT COME HOME TO YOU, I ASK YOU TELL THEM WE LOVE THEM FOR BEING HEROS AND LAYING DOWN THERE LIVE FOR US!


Thanks All
Guy

Amen brother! 

[Lady Di]

I was in Ft. Lauderdale working when it was on it's way...I finished up the day it cruised across Southern Fl.

Yes, it did hit S. FL., I don't think it was very extreme at that point, ah yes.. here's the article...  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/25/tropical.storm/index.html

it was a Cat. 1 when it hit FL., but never slowed down much and once it hit the gulf it picked up steam and hit the Louisiana/Mississippi coast with a vengeance.

And with that I would like to add...

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

[johnny_boy02]

Jon Boy - if you are saying this has been posted repetedly in Chit Chat Camp then I could give a flying rats
People can post whatever they want, within the guidelines of the board, here.

If it has been posted on other boards, such as a tech board, or the sale section, where it should not be, then it should be moved here by a mod of those boards.
If a mod just doesn't happen to see that post/thread (we can not be everywhere), then you merely have to either PM a mod of the board or click the Report to Moderator button on the bottom right of the post and let them know it needs to be relocated.

And you make a lot of assumptions saying I removed your post because of my power to do so and a desire to abuse said power.
If that were the case I would not have put it back in the first place AND I would have modified Blackdogs subsequent post so as to appear as if your post never existed in the first place.
It was impulsize, I realized as soon as I did it that it was not the right thing to do.
It's been too long since we've had a good debate, we just don't want a mud slinging fest on Marlin. (of which, from your first post, you have basically done nothing but diss other members, their taste in music, and defend your actions. You're right, I knew TigerToy and you, sir, are no TigerToy, at least he knew how to hold a good debate).

If you, 88 or anybody else feel so strongly about other tragedies, such as OKC, then go ahead and start a "Lets Not Forget ____________ <-- fill in with tragedy du jour" thread.

If people want to remember 9-11 with graphic video's it is their perogative to do so, and your's to choose not to watch... or remember for that matter.
If you would rather choose to stick your head in the sand, and pretend nothing happened, it's a FREE COUNTRY, have at it.

  BTW - AT Katrina was the hurricane that destroyed LA. and yes, they had a good weeks notice to evacuate, again...it's a FREE COUNTRY and they chose to put themselves in harms way. The people in the WTC were not given that choice.    

By other boards I meant boards that are not Marlin. I never said you "desire" to abuse your power. And thank you for realizing your mistake and putting the post back up.

Please show me where I have "dissed" other members....

Since I posted I have been called "kid", been told I should be band, been accused of being some other member,  been called a punk, told I have a "silver nipple?" shoved in my a$$, called a dumba$$ kid and moron.

Yet I am attacing people. Come on. I have had no need to defend my actions, I have done nothing wrong.

It seems you can say whatever you wish to on this board as long as others agree with you.

[Lady Di]

I am not saying that others have not attacked you but you brought it down on yourself..from your first post..

Did you post this on every board you could find or what? NOBODY has forgot. Why are you making it your personal mission to post this everywhere?

This was not about saying whatever you wish and others disagreeing ... you were flat out attacking Daguy about his posting here. If that was not the attitude intended by your post it certainly came across that way.

And in reply to Blackdogs song ... looks like dissing to me...(and you had the same attitude about the music on Pirate)

Oh and both the Darryl Worley songs suck.

But I do agree that others were as much in the wrong slamming you as you were to start in on Daguy in the first place.

As far as posting on multiple boards... jebus h. crimminy man! WTF is up with that? Marlin's is the only board I am on, if he had not posted it here I would not have seen it. Just because you frequent many boards, and have seen this often, does not mean everyone does!
There is certainly no rule against posting the same thing across different websites. 

OK - In reading back I did see you have said often that you did not mean to offend.
Lets just move forward and get on with some rational discussion for a change.
I have nothing against a difference of opinion, and in fact do enjoy reading others thoughts, but lets keep the personal slams out of it.

(   personally I don't like that music much either but I would never tell Blackdog ) 

[79coyotefrg]

And thank you for realizing your mistake and putting the post back up.

I put it back, at her request  NOT to amuse you

Please show me where I have "dissed" other members....

Since I posted I have been called "kid", been told I should be band, been accused of being some other member,  been called a punk, told I have a "silver nipple?" shoved in my a$$, called a dumba$$ kid and moron.

Yet I am attacing people. Come on. I have had no need to defend my actions, I have done nothing wrong.

It seems you can say whatever you wish to on this board as long as others agree with you.

when you come on here defending your  muslim friends  i  take it that you are anti american  and as far as i am concerned  you might as well walked up and spit in my face,   

and  i sure wish you would

[Lady Di]

I put it back, at her request  NOT to amuse you

Thanks Glen, but I'm the one that said I made a mistake by removing his post in the first place and asked that it be restored (by you). I know you didn't agree with that decision.

when you come on here defending your  muslim friends  i  take it that you are anti american  and as far as i am concerned  you might as well walked up and spit in my face,   

and  i sure wish you would

Whoa there big guy!    Lets back up a step. While I don't agree how Jon Boy came in here slamming on daguy for posting this tribute on the Marlin board as well as others, but unless I missed a post, I didn't see anywhere where he was defending any muslim's!   

[79coyotefrg]

. And like I have said a few times in this thread I don't think the lives lost in 9/11 are anymore important than lives lost in other tragedy's.

ok  he didnt  but  he knew he was pushing peoples buttons

[Lady Di]

ok  he didnt  but  he knew he was pushing peoples buttons

Like I said, if he has another personal favorite tragedy he would like people to remember, or a whole freekin' buttload of them, there are sure enough to choose from, go ahead and start a... "Remember the Alamo" thread or whatever it is that floats yer boat.
This was Daguy's tribute thread, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[BLACKDOG]

Johnnyboy,

Actually, I'm curious to see where you actually stand.  Your two posts (one on pirate, 1st one here) are pretty different in nature, and I'm curious to see where you actually stand.  Do you not like it because it hits to close to home still?  Because you think it is stupid to remember?  because it raises those that died in 9/11 over those that died elsewhere? 

You've spent so much time defending yourself against attacks, that you have yet to really explain yourself.  So lets hear it

[BLACKDOG]

(   personally I don't like that music much either but I would never tell Blackdog ) 

WHAT???  


I HAD NO IDEA 

[johnny_boy02]

MrsWillyMammoth: My intent was not to "diss" you. My "lol abuse power much" was a off hand response to the deleting of my post. And I thank you again for admitting your mistake.

My first post was not an attack on Daguy. I am very straight forward, and I can see how what I said could be taken as rude. I made my comment, and sated my question in a very up front to the point way. If he thought I was being rude I apologise to Daguy and and him only. I realize on the internet it is very easy to mis understand someone. So Daguy, If you felt I was being rude, I am sorry.

The comment about the music was a joke. I do infact enjoy most of Darryl Worley's music. Just not that song. I feel it was over played by the radio and that caused it to lose a lot of its meaning.

BLACKDOG: Of course I don't think we should forget. I feel that videos like that promote the wrong kind of feelings. When I watch that stuff I feel fear, pain, and dread. I don't think that is how 9/11 should be remembered. And yes, it bothers me when the victims of 9/11 are some how held in a higher regard than others that have lost there lives.

79coyotefrg: How you can read my posts and then twist my words into me supporting the Muslims or being anti-American in beyond me. If you don't like what I have to say thats fine. But your accusations are out of control.

I will not sink to your level and attack you back. But please feel free to picture me spitting anywhere you want.

Like I said before, I am not on the internet to start crap.

[Lady Di]

WHAT???  

I HAD NO IDEA 

  Yeah right! although a lot of them thar cowboy musicians are dang cute 

I have to say, there were some aspects of it that Johnny Boy has alluded to, that I did feel was unfair.
Like the survivors of victims of 9/11 getting SO much money from the government while survivors of victims of others tragedies did not get nearly the same treatment.
It is important to remember but it is also important to be to be fair.

[88runner]

There is certainly no rule against posting the same thing across different websites.

Aren't you aware of the rules!! It's the rule number 6 of the bible of forum user.

1- You shall search for similar thread before opening a new one.
2- You shall search some more before asking, just to be sure!
3- If all fails, you shall ask the almighty Google to see what he think about it.
4- If Google fail you can ask other about it but you shall get no answer, Google is the almighty and he know it all.
5- After every other means fail, you shall post your question on the forum of your choice, but you shall choose an appropriate one for doing it.
6- You shall not post the same thing across many forum so almighty Google don't come with your same post all over the web when you're following rule #3.

Back to your regular schedule

[Lady Di]

MrsWillyMammoth: My intent was not to "diss" you. My "lol abuse power much" was a off hand response to the deleting of my post. And I thank you again for admitting your mistake.

My first post was not an attack on Daguy. I am very straight forward, and I can see how what I said could be taken as rude. I made my comment, and sated my question in a very up front to the point way. If he thought I was being rude I apologise to Daguy and and him only. I realize on the internet it is very easy to mis understand someone. So Daguy, If you felt I was being rude, I am sorry.

The comment about the music was a joke. I do infact enjoy most of Darryl Worley's music. Just not that song. I feel it was over played by the radio and that caused it to lose a lot of its meaning.

BLACKDOG: Of course I don't think we should forget. I feel that videos like that promote the wrong kind of feelings. When I watch that stuff I feel fear, pain, and dread. I don't think that is how 9/11 should be remembered. And yes, it bothers me when the victims of 9/11 are some how held in a higher regard than others that have lost there lives.

79coyotefrg: How you can read my posts and then twist my words into me supporting the Muslims or being anti-American in beyond me. If you don't like what I have to say thats fine. But your accusations are out of control.

I will not sink to your level and attack you back. But please feel free to picture me spitting anywhere you want.

Like I said before, I am not on the internet to start crap.

As usual, it it hard to determine intent in the written word. Having gotten peoples hackles up in the first place by us reading "attack" into your first post it just spiraled downhill from there.

Now, in hindsight, I can see your "lol abuse power much" as just busting chops, and not actually intended as hostile, as I took it.

Now that we have gotten past the hostility maybe we can discuss this further, and civilly.
What you have written is very well read.

Everybody gets different emotioins from what is presented to them. I can see how the video would enstill that in some, or how it might instill righteous anger. Some will appreciate it, some won't. That's just the way we are.

Now if we could just get Glen off 'simmer' we might all just get along





but but I still don't like "that" music  

[Lady Di]

Aren't you aware of the rules!! It's the rule number 6 of the bible of forum user.

1- You shall search for similar thread before opening a new one.
2- You shall search some more before asking, just to be sure!
3- If all fails, you shall ask the almighty Google to see what he think about it.
4- If Google fail you can ask other about it but you shall get no answer, Google is the almighty and he know it all.
5- After every other means fail, you shall post your question on the forum of your choice, but you shall choose an appropriate one for doing it.
6- You shall not post the same thing across many forum so almighty Google don't come with your same post all over the web when you're following rule #3.

Back to your regular schedule

  consider me enlightened.

but I still see nothing wrong with him posting this here. I would not have seen it otherwise and I would not have searched for it. It's not a tech question.

[BLACKDOG]

I don't feel that survivors or victims of 9/11 should be offered greater tribute than somene who died during a different attack either.  I named several in previous posts.  Victims are just that, victims, and should be held in the highest respect, because they had no business going out that way.  If it is something controllable, I won't give as much respect (ex. Katrina- EVERYONE had warning to get out, several days at least.  You stayed behind, that really sucks, but it was your decision)  Something uncontrollable, like a terrorist attack (ex. 9/11, or OKC bombing, my heart goes out to each and every one of those that died, survived, and the families of both, as well as the nation ) 

Its interesting the different feelings we get from the same video.  I don't get feelings of fear, or dread.  Those images to me represent hope, truth, pride, courage, strength, and yes, anger. 

[79coyotefrg]

MrsWillyMammoth: My intent was not to "diss" you. My "lol abuse power much" was a off hand response to the deleting of my post. And I thank you again for admitting your mistake.

My first post was not an attack on Daguy. I am very straight forward, and I can see how what I said could be taken as rude. I made my comment, and sated my question in a very up front to the point way. If he thought I was being rude I apologise to Daguy and and him only. I realize on the internet it is very easy to mis understand someone. So Daguy, If you felt I was being rude, I am sorry.

The comment about the music was a joke. I do infact enjoy most of Darryl Worley's music. Just not that song. I feel it was over played by the radio and that caused it to lose a lot of its meaning.

  not a very funny  joke

BLACKDOG: Of course I don't think we should forget. I feel that videos like that promote the wrong kind of feelings. When I watch that stuff I feel fear, pain, and dread. I don't think that is how 9/11 should be remembered. And yes, it bothers me when the victims of 9/11 are some how held in a higher regard than others that have lost there lives. 

 

  there might be hope for him yet 

79coyotefrg: How you can read my posts and then twist my words into me supporting the Muslims or being anti-American in beyond me. If you don't like what I have to say thats fine. But your accusations are out of control.

anytime i see someone  saying what you did  i go off,  I have family  in more than one National cemetery,  and many MANY  friends  in the service  and like i stated earlier in this thread  I was there so 911   is  very RAW  in my heart.

I will not sink to your level and attack you back. But please feel free to picture me spitting anywhere you want.

Like I said before, I am not on the internet to start crap.

ah  but the way  you said  things DID  start crap, 

you cant  convey sarcasm  thru written word  especially  when you are new here and apparently NO ONE  here  knows you

[abnormaltoy]

you cant  convey sarcasm  thru written word  especially  when you are new here and apparently NO ONE  here  knows you

Yeah, I had to hang around a loooong time before I could cut loose. 

[Lady Di]

Being straight forward is fine but TACT is the order of the day. We ALL need to read twice what we write and think how others might percieve it, we also need to think twice when we read and not get our hackles up over a percieved wrong.
The Marlin board is about civility, and always will be. That's why we love it here. 
If only the rest of the world could be as caring as most of the people here.