Author Topic: Can you have too much winch? (Read 4553 times)

InstaGator · « **on:** Dec 09, 2005, 09:48:55 AM »

I will be purchasing a winch soon. I'm thinking of the Warn 16.5ti My reasoning is that it has more pulling power on the last rap of the drum instead of having to unroll it or use a snatch block in order to get that capacity. I think that the winch will outlast my truck and may find it's way on my next one which may or may not be heavier. I may be using it to pull a heavier rig from a situation as well from time to time. The extra weight is not an issue since gas milage is already shot from other mods and it's not a comp rig. The amp draw seemed to be comparable to a 9000ti, even speed is only a tick slower. Is there something I'm missing? Anyone else do the same and wish they had'nt or are glad they did?
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79coyotefrg · « **Reply #1 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 10:17:58 AM »

isnt it like way more expensive than the 9000 ??

brainlessfool · « **Reply #2 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 10:30:22 AM »

with in reson you can't have to much winch, butt why hall around more than you need? even for your next rig?

InstaGator · « **Reply #3 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 11:05:10 AM »

Cost is about 3-400 more depending on where I get it. As for hauling more than I need, how will I know? It's only 40lbs. more than the others. That's equivilent to extra food and water or other camping gear. I'm still debating though.
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mudmaster · « **Reply #4 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 11:20:59 AM »

Mine's probably too much (12000 lb) but I have stalled it trying to pull a buddy out. I'd say go with it. Just my

MiniSimp · « **Reply #5 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 11:34:34 AM »

When I get mine it will be the Mile Marker 12,000lb electric winch for $699.00
I figure a 12,000lb winch to pull my 3000lb truck will be just about right. That gives me 6984lbs on the 4th layer.

http://www.e-winches.com/detail.aspx?ID=237

Performance Specifications: 12,000 lbs. (single line)
Rated Line Pull
1st Layer 12,000 lbs.
2nd Layer 9,210 lbs.
3rd Layer 8,030 lbs.
4th Layer 6,894 lbs.

skid · « **Reply #6 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 11:44:45 AM »

If you can afford the 16.5ti, get it. Personally I have no issues with using a snatch block. 9 out of 10 times I use one anyway to get the right angle when pulling someone or something. More load at the same amp draw has to be a good thing? With a snatch block on a 16.5 , 33,000 pounds. Nice to brag about if nothing else.

blackdiamond · « **Reply #7 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 12:14:28 PM »

More power is always good, but the trade is generally increased weight (possibly a larger diameter cable required?) and slower speeds. For most situations, a slight tug is all that is required, but you are really broken and need to be pulled out of something nasty, you battery might be the limiting factor. I don't have one because I usualy travel with people that do and I have too many other fun things to buy.

Just my

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #8 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 12:20:11 PM »

There is nothing better than over-kill, but the wieght and strain on frontend components is what I'd watch. It would be just like putting a V8 in your Toyota (Nissan) and not putting heavier springs on. You gotta have balance, even a 9000lb winch could sag out some springs.

InstaGator · « **Reply #9 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 05:22:30 PM »

I'm not worried about my springs, I am waiting to see if they compress a bit, like I hope. We'll see. Thanks for your help, I am going for it.
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guywithuglyyota · « **Reply #10 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 08:29:57 PM »

I went with a the T-Max 11,000lb for my 94 toy. Works just as well as the smaller guys. I think the amount of Current your Alt, and Battery are able to supply is the bigger concearn, they will more than likely shortchage the Winch for Amps before it reaches it max load.

InstaGator · « **Reply #11 on:** Dec 09, 2005, 10:00:42 PM »

I have dual batteries and carry a spare altenator. Now I'm trying to figure out how much work it will be to fit it in an ARB bumper.

Any suggestions?

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Willy Mammoth · « **Reply #12 on:** Dec 10, 2005, 12:35:53 AM »

Quote from: InstaGator on Dec 09, 2005, 10:00:42 PM

I have dual batteries and carry a spare altenator. Now I'm trying to figure out how much work it will be to fit it in an ARB bumper. Any suggestions?
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Yea, give it to me and put my 9000 lb in the ARB bumper. See how easy that is?

BTW, 16500 Lbs is 8.25 tons and with a snatch block it is 16.5 tons.

It only takes 10 tons to pull your truck in two.

I would rather have a winch stall before it tares my truck apart on the trail, that would look really bad.

guywithuglyyota · « **Reply #13 on:** Dec 10, 2005, 04:27:06 AM »

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on Dec 10, 2005, 12:35:53 AM

Yea, give it to me and put my 9000 lb in the ARB bumper. See how easy that is?

BTW, 16500 Lbs is 8.25 tons and with a snatch block it is 16.5 tons.

It only takes 10 tons to pull your truck in two.

I would rather have a winch stall before it tares my truck apart on the trail, that would look really bad.

Good point!

InstaGator · « **Reply #14 on:** Dec 10, 2005, 05:34:45 AM »

So your saying I should get an on board welder too?

Good point though, I'll probably be a bit more aware when I break out the snatch. Who's to say I don't want to stretch mine the easy way

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Prismo · « **Reply #15 on:** Dec 10, 2005, 07:07:08 AM »

I have stalled my 9000i, double pull (w/snatch block) trying to pull another Toyota out of frame deep mud. Willy has a valid point about bending things w/12k of pull, especially doubled. I watched a bumper w/winch attached to a big Bronco sail through the air when the mounts broke on a double pull. Lucky it didn't hit anyone when it came loose.

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #16 on:** Dec 10, 2005, 02:22:31 PM »

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on Dec 10, 2005, 12:35:53 AM

I would rather have a winch stall before it tares my truck apart on the trail, that would look ~~really bad~~ funny as hell.

I fixed that comment for you.....

FYI a friend of mine bent the front of his frame winching a buddies truck up a hill with a 9000lb. Ramsy winch.

InstaGator · « **Reply #17 on:** Dec 12, 2005, 01:14:17 PM »

Well, after all that, I ended up going with the 9.5ti

The reason is I am going with the ARB bumper and even though the 16.5 is only 2" wider, the motor is on the other side and the people I have talked to own the bumper said it would be more work than it's worth. So..... Thanks for the info though.
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brainlessfool · « **Reply #18 on:** Dec 12, 2005, 01:31:19 PM »

Quote from: Willy Mammoth on Dec 10, 2005, 12:35:53 AM

BTW, 16500 Lbs is 8.25 tons and with a snatch block it is 16.5 tons.

It only takes 10 tons to pull your truck in two.

I would rather have a winch stall before it tares my truck apart on the trail, that would look really bad.

Ha! that would look funny on the trail!

brainlessfool · « **Reply #19 on:** Dec 12, 2005, 01:32:02 PM »

Quote from: InstaGator on Dec 10, 2005, 05:34:45 AM

So your saying I should get an on board welder too? Lator....

Oh and Good save!

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #20 on:** Dec 12, 2005, 01:53:03 PM »

InstaGator · « **Reply #21 on:** Dec 17, 2005, 10:47:18 PM »

Well, I got it mounted. I think the 16.5 would have worked though.

Heres a cell pic.

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79coyotefrg · « **Reply #22 on:** Dec 18, 2005, 08:19:48 AM »

i had a 8274 on my truck for years, when winching stumps out of my gardne a few years ago i actually broke the frame at the bumper mount, peeled winch bumper and all right off the truck

i could literally drag my truck across a parking lot in the summer time , but it was way heavy, around 150 pounds, i sold it for 50 bucks about a year ago, switches were burnt and i think the motor was locked up

sucker

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