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My reman engine that came in my 4runner didn't make it to 20k before losing compression in 2 cylinders.
The title itself is basically what I wanna discuss and maybe get some others personal experience stories.I myself have a "Remanufactured" Engine in my Toyota, and it only has 80K on it, despite it having a failing rear main, and 120PSI on all 4 cylinders, I have the paperwork from back in 2001 when the engine was replaced with a "reman". ( I know this doesn't say anything for how is was treated before I got it, just an interesting thing to add)I think of engines that are rebuilt from a reputable shop as 100 times better than anything you can buy on eBay, obviously shops have their own issues too, and the best way to assure quality it to rebuild it yourself, using quality Japanese parts.In fact, a quick search for "22RE" on eBay brings up endless amounts of $1500 engines being sold, with no mention of their internal components. Obviously price doesn't mean quality, but you'd be hard pressed to rebuild a 22R with good components for $1500This isn't meant to complain about my crappy 22R, if it blows (When) I'll rebuild it, but what are your experiences with crappy quality rebuilds or remans?
I cut myself on a piston pulling apart a reman short block. they do not use good parts...if you can find where they hide the warranty info, you will also find you do not have a warranty lol
I've found that many have a 1 year "Unlimited" mileage warranty, doesn't mean anything as they are still crap.Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
some of the cheaper ones put STUPID restrictions on what you can and cannot do with your motor. Must be installed by a pro, must use OEM blah blah blah, must change oil every 500 miles, if broken, must be repaired by a pro...stuff like that. much better to rebuild your own motor.
Do it yourselfFarm out the machine work you can't do, inspect results........
I’m always somewhat puzzled by these discussions. This discussion can have many perspectives… here’s mine.Each person has a different need or desire, so the variables to a rebuild can be endless.I’ve read umpteen thousand posts on 4x4 forums, other automotive forums, been part of conversations, and discussed this with various machine shops, repair shops, speed shops, performance parts suppliers……. for about 18 years.Rebuilding a Toyota 22 is not rocket science, brain surgery, or nuclear physics. BUT… there is enough information readily available in a few hours of research to figure out what you need to know about rebuilding an engine and what you need to know about buying a “remanufactured” engine.Depending your abilities, timeframe, money, and space, you try to make the best decision. It is an attractive option to just order one online and begin bolting it in. Warranties don’t mean didley. Typically it will cost you time, money, and a lot of frustration to actually process a warranty claim on a remanufactured engine.It did quite a bit of research and contemplating (BUT, admittedly not enough), visited a couple auto shops, had detailed discussions with 4 machine shops, several reputable Toyota engine builders, and spent more than a couple hours on the net reading about the offers from the various remanufactured engine suppliers, and aftermarket parts suppliers.I had the time, saved up budget, space, and most of the tools… so I decided to do it myself. Why? I didn’t fully trust a repair shop. Prices from LCE or 22RE Performance would exceed my budget. I wanted the experience and enjoy the satisfaction of doing it myself.Rebuilding a 22 so it will last 200K to 300K miles without a major failure requires precise machining, quality parts, and an experienced engine builder who knows the tricks. Oh… yeah.. there’s the posts about a guy who claims to rebuild one in 2 hours, or over a week end while drinking a case a beer, and only spending $500. Really? 22RE Performance - arguably is a VERY reputable Toyota 22R/RE engine builder - will build you a Stage 1 22R long block for $2500… it only take them about 40 hours to build it and about 24 weeks to before it ships to you. WHY?Knowing what I know now, spending over a year and spending north of $5,000 on my rebuilt 22RE, if my Corolla was really a DeLorean with a flux-capacitor I’d would go back in time and buy a long block from 22RE Performance. What I have learned during my rebuild project is invaluable and I’ve enjoyed the journey, but I’m still not completely satisfied with the results. It’s only got about 200 miles on it, so it still needs to be broken in and tuned.I have never bought a remanufactured engine.That’s just my opinion – it may be worthless.Gnarls.
I have had a couple re-mans in my early days and they were junk. .... These things are super easy to put together. Honestly its harder to hook all the extra junk to the outside of the engine than it is to put together a long block with freshly machined parts.
At these prices and with such a level of uncertainty, I question whether the Toyota platform is worth it at all when an engine gives out. I have never seen a remanufactured engine, but given the price difference, I would expect nothing but trouble out of one. And after living with my truck and repairing the damage done by previous shade-tree mechanics, I don't think I'd trust a truck that came with a rebuilt engine. Which means, when the engine goes out, that you spend a minimum of around $5000 if you want it to work well again. Meanwhile, old Toyotas can be found for less than $5000, which means that your vehicle is effectively totaled when the engine quits.
.... Honestly its harder to hook all the extra junk to the outside of the engine than it is to put together a long block with freshly machined parts.
I'd say $5000 is a lot for a rebuild
I get what you're saying.... let's define "super easy".Hmmm.... well.... I believe they are "super easy to put together" for some people. Jim at 22RE Performance takes 40 hours.... so are his rebuilds super easy?Gnarls.
Rebuilding a 22 so it will last 200K to 300K miles without a major failure requires precise machining, quality parts, and an experienced engine builder who knows the tricks. Oh… yeah.. there’s the posts about a guy who claims to rebuild one in 2 hours, or over a week end while drinking a case a beer, and only spending $500. Really? 22RE Performance - arguably is a VERY reputable Toyota 22R/RE engine builder - will build you a Stage 1 22R long block for $2500… it only take them about 40 hours to build it and about 24 weeks to before it ships to you. WHY?
Knowing what I know now, spending over a year and spending north of $5,000 on my rebuilt 22RE, if my Corolla was really a DeLorean with a flux-capacitor I’d would go back in time and buy a long block from 22RE Performance. What I have learned during my rebuild project is invaluable and I’ve enjoyed the journey, but I’m still not completely satisfied with the results. It’s only got about 200 miles on it, so it still needs to be broken in and tuned.
... any competent mechanic should have it torn down and rebuilt in around 10-15 hours, sooner if all they do is 22r's.
A motivated/uninterrupted first time DYIer, taking their time and not running into any issues, should be able to remove and tear down a 22r over 2-3 days and take about 3-4 days to have it back in and running.
Outside of having to redo the same work and buying new parts a couple of times, I have No idea how you spent that kind of money.
$5k is 3-5 times what it should cost for a is basic 22r rebuild, it likely wouldn't even cost that much to have a shop remove the old one and drop in a new stage 1 rebuild from 22reperformance.
The most I have spent rebuilding a Toyota motor so far was on my 7mgte, which unlike the 22r's is a rare engine with no "less" expensive alternatives, and even with the additional block/head machine and custom parts/upgrades needed to reliably support upgrades 450rwhp, it cost me less than $2500 in current $$'s.
I ordered a fully machined block, crank, APR and eagle rods for around 2k from LCE. I already had the head from engnbldr. 5k is way over priced.
I could buy these parts from LCE for 22R/RE rebuild....Machined Block – 750Head w/o cam – 550Cam – 200Crankshaft 500Master Rebuld kit – 600Rods – 180Main bearings – 60Rod crank bearings 60That’s $2900 without sales tax or shipping. Gee, now I have all the parts ready to assemble … Or I can order a fully assembled Stage 1 Long Block from 22RE Performance for $2500. $2900 with a core charge. 24 weeks!!! Hhhhmmm… let’s see…??.... what would bestgen do? Gnarls.
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