Author Topic: New Toy! (Read 3686 times)

CTENG in KS · « **on:** Sep 15, 2006, 06:06:08 PM »

OK, so I needed more POWER and didn't want to pay a lot for it. I went down to my local Pepboys where they have some generators that got some decent reviews and picked up one of these for about $350 plus a protection plan incase it implodes.

DTB · « **Reply #1 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 06:09:46 PM »

maybe u will stop blowing all those fuses now??

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #2 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 06:25:41 PM »

SO, here is what I know in about a half hour of playing.
Noise: yup, it is louder than a Honda, but it really isn't too bad. I hear you can switch to a Honda muffler
Power: Yup, plenty of that. I ran the little stick welder on 110 and it smoked through some 1/4 inch. Can't wait to see how it does on 220V.
I was using some 6011 and I had a little 6013 to try to. Not sure if I figured this out right, but it seems that the 6011 gets great penetration and the 6013 makes a real pretty weld, but not as much penetration.

Here are some of the 6011 beads...I didn't spend much time picking the slag off so, heh...

Hottrod81 · « **Reply #3 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 07:40:54 PM »

Is it rated for a 220V? I know that the 4000W generator in my motor home won't run 220V.

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #4 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 07:52:58 PM »

Yeah, 220V though I do not know what type of amperage it will push.
It really isn't an issue for me since it will easily run 1/4 inch on 110V.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #5 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 07:57:00 PM »

you got it right AJ, 6011 is for penetration, great field rod

and 6013 is a finish rod, great for body work too

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #6 on:** Sep 15, 2006, 08:07:57 PM »

Are there any good penetration rods that tend to leave nice looing welds. The 6011 looks alright, but the 6013 was like pimp stacked dimes.

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #7 on:** Sep 16, 2006, 12:52:38 AM »

7018

I love that rod

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #8 on:** Sep 16, 2006, 09:22:07 AM »

Kool, I think I will be getting a few different ones to play with.

IronClad · « **Reply #9 on:** Sep 16, 2006, 10:04:04 AM »

yep 6011 is farm rod.. made to go through rust and all kinds of crap not for being pretty.. just to stick things together.. 6011 and 7018 are your best friends with stick

unclejpl4x4 · « **Reply #10 on:** Sep 16, 2006, 10:06:29 AM »

Scotti I need more power...........
captian im given her all shes got!!!!!!!

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #11 on:** Sep 19, 2006, 07:02:08 PM »

I grabbed some 7018 AC rod and gave it a shot on high power 110V on some clean scrap 1/4 inch. Could barely get it to arc, never mind hold an arc. How come the 6011 will fire right up but the 7018 doesn't want to, jsut needs more power?

Anyway, I rewired the plug for 220V and holy moly lots more power...this nearly doubles the amperage output from 110V and the 6011 was kickin!

The 7018 however would still just barely hold an arc. Am I missing something about this rod or do I need more than 140 amps? Doesn't seem like I should. Do I need to do something more than a wire wheel for prep?

abnormaltoy · « **Reply #12 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 08:50:17 PM »

Have you found out what it's rated at on 220?

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #13 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 10:38:09 PM »

I'm trying to remember what we were using with our 7018 in my class. I think we were using between 120-150 amps, so you should be able to hold an arc

and a wire wheel is plenty for cleaning the steel

One thing with this rod, is the arc gap is pretty dand small. You can actually drag the flux on the surface, and the rod is far enough inside the flux that it'll weld. Try doing the matchstick strike, and don't lift the rod off the metal more than say, 1/8 of an inch, if that.

its been a while since I've used the rod, my memory is a bit fuzzy on how to get it to work, but it is really easy to weld with, once you get the arc.

Duffil · « **Reply #14 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 11:06:08 PM »

Quote from: CTENG in KS on Sep 19, 2006, 07:02:08 PM

I grabbed some 7018 AC rod and gave it a shot on high power 110V on some clean scrap 1/4 inch. Could barely get it to arc, never mind hold an arc. How come the 6011 will fire right up but the 7018 doesn't want to, jsut needs more power?

Are you sure you got the 7018 that is rated for AC? I didn't know they made it until about 2 months ago; when I started welding, 7018 was DC only rod. What you describe is a classic sign of using a DC rod on an AC system.

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #15 on:** Sep 20, 2006, 11:57:47 PM »

Quote from: Duffil on Sep 20, 2006, 11:06:08 PM

Are you sure you got the 7018 that is rated for AC? I didn't know they made it until about 2 months ago; when I started welding, 7018 was DC only rod. What you describe is a classic sign of using a DC rod on an AC system.

didn't even think of that.

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #16 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 07:09:45 AM »

Yup, they were right next to each other and I got the box that says AC in big red letters on it. Once I get it to hold an arc it seems to have plenty of juice to weld...maybe that I just need some practice getting used to this rod. I am using Hobart Weld-It rod from TSC...are there better choices?
How does 7014 do in terms of penetration, better than the 6013?

Duffil · « **Reply #17 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 01:23:52 PM »

6013 is a medium-to-shallow penetrating rod, but I've never had any issues with it breaking, or not penetrating enough.

I'll see if I can scan something for ya.

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #18 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 02:04:23 PM »

I am thinking of grabbing some more 6013...I really am not doing much over 3/16's which I think is the max that rod is recomended for.

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #19 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 06:08:29 PM »

got some 6013...much nicer welds.

Duffil · « **Reply #20 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 08:41:44 PM »

Quote from: CTENG in KS on Sep 21, 2006, 02:04:23 PM

I am thinking of grabbing some more 6013...I really am not doing much over 3/16's which I think is the max that rod is recomended for.

Depends on what diameter rod you are using.

Duffil · « **Reply #21 on:** Sep 21, 2006, 09:32:27 PM »

Here's what I wanted to scan for you. Sorry, it's kinda small.

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #22 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 12:37:48 PM »

Hey CTENG, I just thought of something concerning the 7018 rod.

I forgot exactly why, but because of the components of the flux, the rods have to be completely dry to work properly. Try tossing some rod in your oven on low heat for a while, and see how it works then

My teacher said that when he welds as home, he just throws some rod in on the bottomw when his wife cooks dinner.

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #23 on:** Sep 28, 2006, 01:44:51 PM »

Hmm, don't know, but they were brand new, just unsealed the plastic case they were in, I would think they were pretty dry. Meh, the 6013 and 6011 should cover all my pretty and penetration needs.

southernoffroader · « **Reply #24 on:** Oct 01, 2006, 06:14:10 PM »

What diameter rod? 80-85 amps for a 3/32 7018 is perfect and will weld anything on a Toyota. 1/8" 7018 needs around 125 amps but is too much rod for anything on your truck.

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #25 on:** Oct 02, 2006, 09:38:04 AM »

All rods ar 3/32...I don't think my welder really has the juice for the larger ones, although it would prob be ok for 6011, 6013. I was pushing bout 110-120 amps into the 7018.

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