Author Topic: 4runner SAS (Read 3310 times)

MudSlinginYota · « **on:** Aug 11, 2009, 06:46:26 PM »

i have a 86 4runner and am doing the research and getting the parts together for a SAS. i am on a tight budget and want to get it done.

can someone give me the bare minimum parts list? or is it going to be the same price to buy a "kit" for around $1,100?

i know i have to have an axle.i am pretty sure my donor axle is going to be from a 83 p/u

all help is good. thanks

86rustbucket · « **Reply #1 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 06:49:52 PM »

im doin the same thing rite now. if u go cheap on the front springs u can save a lot of $$$ over the kit

MudSlinginYota · « **Reply #2 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 06:59:12 PM »

whats cheap?
also can i run stock rear springs. if so what springs do i need to run up front?

86rustbucket · « **Reply #3 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 07:02:33 PM »

any springs you can get a deal on whether they be used lift spring or try to make a set out of rear leafs

bigarms23 · « **Reply #4 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 07:51:18 PM »

ruf chevy 63s in the back highsteer front axle i did mine for around 600 including the axle

86rustbucket · « **Reply #5 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 08:02:59 PM »

Quote from: bigarms23 on Aug 11, 2009, 07:51:18 PM

ruf chevy 63s in the back highsteer front axle i did mine for around 600 including the axle

how did u set up your front springs,did u ad any?
and did you go double shackle in the back? what kind of lift did you get?

MudSlinginYota · « **Reply #6 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 10:26:51 PM »

Quote from: bigarms23 on Aug 11, 2009, 07:51:18 PM

ruf chevy 63s in the back highsteer front axle i did mine for around 600 including the axle

i have a set of chevy 63s
do you have a write up on it? pics?

Tallchevy · « **Reply #7 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM »

I have ruf with chevy's in the rear. Click on the Redo & Rig gallery links at the bottom of my post.

89sastoyo · « **Reply #8 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 11:20:51 PM »

If you can make yoru own front hanger and drill the holes in the frame correctly that saves about 100 depending on what kit you buy. then you'll need to buy shocks 40. depending on what your getting extended brake lines 50 bucks or cheaper. Springs i would just buy a set of stock rears and try to find some random lift springs off craigslist to mix in with them, or just mix two sets of stock rears that works to. Then you'll just need an axle, tools and supplies. probably a couple more odds and ends

86rustbucket · « **Reply #9 on:** Aug 11, 2009, 11:47:57 PM »

Quote from: Tallchevy on Aug 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM

I have ruf with chevy's in the rear. Click on the Redo & Rig gallery links at the bottom of my post.

how did you do your rears?

MudSlinginYota · « **Reply #10 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 06:01:35 AM »

Quote from: 86rustbucket on Aug 11, 2009, 11:47:57 PM

how did you do your rears?

from what i see you just put your rears up front and 63" chevys in the rear

time for me to call SORD

86rustbucket · « **Reply #11 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 09:01:48 AM »

i mean how far did you move your hanger and how many leaves did u add to the front

Dingman. · « **Reply #12 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:09:30 AM »

Do some research on parts.

There is one kit i know of that you can get for that price range but isn't worth it IMO..

If i were to do it again, i would have made my own hangar, used for shock towers, made everything i could have and done RUF and 63" chevys or ford springs out back.

The only think i would have bought brand new, would have been steering, shocks, and brake lines, and wheel spacers for the front.

Other than that i would look used for the rest of the parts.

Find the list on marlins site about what is included in their kit and see what you could make and what you could buy used to save money.

chim · « **Reply #13 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:15:58 AM »

I plan on buying the "$1,100" kit for the reasons that its ALL there.. no guess work, you know everything works together.. its all warrantied.. and with the kit it makes it super simple on install and its all trail proven... plus you usually get a better deal when you buy the kit than when you buy individual parts..

Dingman. · « **Reply #14 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:22:51 AM »

good luck with that $1100 kit...

I regret it lately, at first it was PIMP. Oh yea i got a great deal on that for less than $1000 to my door. but look i just spent over $60 on two new TRE's i will have to buy two more soon.
My bushings in my springs are toast, my springs are almost flat looking. for the price i will have to spend on the new TRE's and the new springs probably soon, i could have just spent the equal money and bought the better kit the first time..

I would either piece it together or buy marlin. my $.02

86rustbucket · « **Reply #15 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:30:27 AM »

Quote from: Dingman. on Aug 12, 2009, 10:09:30 AM

Do some research on parts.

There is one kit i know of that you can get for that price range but isn't worth it IMO......ya

If i were to do it again, i would have made my own hangar, used for shock towers, made everything i could have and done RUF and 63" chevys or ford springs out back.

The only think i would have bought brand new, would have been steering, shocks, and brake lines, and wheel spacers for the front.

Other than that i would look used for the rest of the parts.

Find the list on marlins site about what is included in their kit and see what you could make and what you could buy used to save money.

86rustbucket · « **Reply #16 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:30:44 AM »

ya do that

chim · « **Reply #17 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:34:46 AM »

Quote from: Dingman. on Aug 12, 2009, 10:22:51 AM

good luck with that $1100 kit...

I regret it lately, at first it was PIMP. Oh yea i got a great deal on that for less than $1000 to my door. but look i just spent over $60 on two new TRE's i will have to buy two more soon.
My bushings in my springs are toast, my springs are almost flat looking. for the price i will have to spend on the new TRE's and the new springs probably soon, i could have just spent the equal money and bought the better kit the first time..

I would either piece it together or buy marlin. my $.02

Thats the first I have heard of that.. I assume you are talking about trailgear...

Dingman. · « **Reply #18 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:42:59 AM »

yes i am.

I got the sas done at the END of january this year..

Just replaced two of the TRE's that were shot.. ABSOULTELY SHOT, i tore the rubber boots off of them and there was ABSOLUTELY no resistance to it.. My spring bushings have been shot for months now, and my springs sagged QUICKLY..

The only parts i would buy from them again are the ARP studs at the moment, or maybe the six shooter knuckles if i ever had the need to go that route, which i doubt.

chim · « **Reply #19 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:53:47 AM »

Did you contact them to tell them what happened?

This is the first I have heard of it, especially since they use greasable shackle bolts.. and I have heard of no issues with springs..

Now I am not against Marlin by no means.. in fact I was anti-trailgear for the longest time... but when Marlins kit is $500 more (not counting another 100 or so in shipping) and doesn't even come with all the extra stuff trailgear has to offer its hard not to swing that way.. especially on a tight budget.. and realistically.. these parts are identical.. (which is not surprising being that the product line was jacked to begin with)

Dingman. · « **Reply #20 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 10:59:39 AM »

No i have not contacted them, and i won't.

I bought the kit through a dealer off a different board, and i asked him and he said as far as he knew TG wouldn't guarantee either. Looking on their site, the TRE's are not guaranteed so i don't feel like there is a point. Which is fine, for i have already bought the replacements from marlin.

Don't get me wrong, i don't like bashing any company, and i don't feel like i am, i am just saying, with what i have seen lately on my truck and how quickly parts are wearing out. I would either PEICE together my kit which would include making most of the parts that i could, or buying a different kit..

Honestly, if i sas'd a future rig of mine i don't feel like i would buy a kit again, since picking up more fabricating skills since i sas'd mine. I didn't even use the "extras" that came in their kit. I ordered marlin parts before the sas kit cause i had originally planned on going marlin.

I would Piece together mine.

Dingman. · « **Reply #21 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 11:04:17 AM »

And

wears out, and i understand that, but honestly?? less than 8 months/>10,000 miles.
And what i have wheeled, and who i have wheeled with, its not like it is "HARDCORE", at all.

If it was Super hardcore, wheeling, then i could understand having parts wear out like they did, but not for road drive being well over the majority of the driving i have done.

Thats sad and that is what made up my decision i think. I have never had problems with any company i have ordered from in getting parts or not getting what i ordered, just inferior parts.

Not happy with what i have described about the sas kit, my "DOM" sliders are dented a bit, and i haven't used them all that much. I just feel they are "CHEAP" parts. and i had heard this when i bought my

.

Just the situation i was in, i was impatient and wanted it done THEN, so instead of saving for what another month, i bought the cheaper kit, and i somewhat regret that decision now.

I knew i would have to replace these things, being a cheaper kit, but i had no idea it would have been this soon.

With it all said and done, buying a kit was a great decision for me the first time, cause i didn't know what the hell i needed, and it made it simple not having to deal with piecing everything together. My advice is to wait it out, save some more money and/or build your own kit. Piece together everything, if i had done so, i could have had an equally built rig for probably close to 3/4 the cost.

chim · « **Reply #22 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 11:06:41 AM »

Well I will order the kit for my new project.. and if it fails, you can toss a big fat "I told you so" my way so then we can start a revolution together

Dingman. · « **Reply #23 on:** Aug 12, 2009, 11:11:24 AM »

No, im not too big for i told you so's.

Just wanted to share my feelings on what i have experienced.
I was super happy with what i had until i started replacing prematurely worn parts IMO..

Nobody is happy when things happen prematurely..

MudSlinginYota · « **Reply #24 on:** Aug 13, 2009, 05:59:47 PM »

had my local shop order the parts for the ruf/chevy SAS. found a stock yota axle for $175. sellin stuff i got sitting around getting closer to build day

MudSlinginYota · « **Reply #25 on:** Aug 15, 2009, 08:06:06 PM »

the build has begun
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=61257.0
see yall there

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