Topic: need help with BUGGY SPRINGS

[brad091703]

hey guys. I want to do the buggy rear spring. Like when you bolt a half leaf upside down on the frame. with a shackel at the end. then hook your leaf up to that. could anyone please post some pics. and what parts i should use,. and any other info would be great. Thanks Guys


Brad

[Rocksurfer]

A buddy of mine has that setup, let me check my pictures.........

[brad091703 [OP]]

cool. what would be my most "bang for my buck"? i want to do the rears up front. and something cool in the back. i only want about 4inches of lift... any pics would be great.

Thanks Again
Brad

[Rocksurfer]

Here's what I've found of his truck so far that show the buggy spring, he uses a plate to hold it together. I would imagine there is a centering pin somewhere on the buggy spring. The 3rd ubolt is used to limit or allow the buggy spring to operate. He clamps the buggy spring down with the 3rd ubolt when driving it on road. Some are a little small but they show the clamping.

[Rocksurfer]

I'll check my laptop for more pictures. I don't know when the next time he'll be out with us, he just kinda shows up for the runs. We'll wake up and he will just be there, waiting to go.

[Rocksurfer]

The buggy spring bumpstops come off an IFS Toyota frontend.

[brad091703 [OP]]

well i dont really like that anymore. what else could i do?  please help me , Ha im a nebie.

[Rocksurfer]

What are you triying to achieve, more travel?

[brad091703 [OP]]

i dont know what i want  lol. Now im think about 63inch chevy springs with double shackel? what do ya think. and pics? and tips on doing this. Thanks Guys

[Rocksurfer]

i dont know what i want  lol. Now im think about 63inch chevy springs with double shackel? what do ya think. and pics? and tips on doing this. Thanks Guys

There are all kinds of options regarding those ideas, MiniSimp has a spring perch that will rotate allowing the spring to move freely and not bind that people are interested in. Works so well that he hits the top of his frame with the side of his tire. I had double shackles on my Samurai they helped a little but not enough. Plenty of the guys runs Chevy and Ford springs and get excellent results but it does involve moving the front spring mount forward. Most of them then put the rears up front which involves the same procces. I think the majority buy a complete set from MC which will come with everything needed to achieve the desired travel. Just remember that for every thing you do there may be something additional required to make it work. If I'm not mistaken if you put the rears up front you will need to use a high-steer system which means you will also need to get an IFS steering box. That means you will need the IFS conversion kit and that needs to be welded in. So if you go that route and don't have the knowlege and skill to do-it-yourself it's gonna get expensive.

[79coyotefrg]

what we really need to know to benefit you the most is what do you want to do with your truck,  and whats been done to it already

[brad091703 [OP]]

Okay. Well i have been 4wheelin for 4 years now. Ive had a 2 dodges on 40s. and 84 toyota. a explorer that had 33s and locked.  me and my friends buy trucks every year build them,. wheel them , then we sell em. So im lookin for the most bang for buck. I allredy have lockers front and rear, and 34inch LTBS and a 8000pound winch. and have 4.88s for the axles. i want to run the rears  up front, And chevys in the rear. and no i wanna use that double shackel idea,.  So any help would be great...

Thanks GUys
Brad

[brad091703 [OP]]

And now i have an 83 yota and an 84. Im going build the 84 now,. later ill do the 83

[Rocksurfer]

Okay. Well i have been 4wheelin for 4 years now. Ive had a 2 dodges on 40s. and 84 toyota. a explorer that had 33s and locked.  me and my friends buy trucks every year build them,. wheel them , then we sell em. So im lookin for the most bang for buck. I allredy have lockers front and rear, and 34inch LTBS and a 8000pound winch. and have 4.88s for the axles. i want to run the rears  up front, And chevys in the rear. and no i wanna use that double shackel idea,.  So any help would be great...

Thanks GUys
Brad

You will need to move the front spring mount forward on the the rears to accomodate the longer flatter springs. You will need to move the rear spring mount back on the front to accomodate the longer rear springs. I believe you will need High steer to do the rears to the front since it will move your front axle forward and the push pull will not line up.  Double shackles are easy to do, buy a set. For the front just measure the rear from mount to mount and duplicate it on the front, for the rears I believe you will be moving the front mount just after the frame drops down, the double shackles will also have to be looked at and you'll have to increase that distance to accomodate for the part of the shackle that lays flat against the frame. A flat bumpstop will be needed between the frame and that shackle. On my Sammi I made a rear and front bumpers that were designed to collect the flat part of the double shackle so I didn't need to move my spring mounts on the middle of the frame. That actually gave me 2 extra inches of wheelbase, and a Sammi needs as much help as you can give it in the wb department.

[brad091703 [OP]]

oh i didnt know that i need new front spring hangers. I thought i only need the back shackels for the fronts.

[79coyotefrg]

oh i didnt know that i need new front spring hangers. I thought i only need the back shackels for the fronts.

the LAST thing you want on a yota  is longer shackles on the front springs, this just puts your pinion and castor angles  in a mess

ad a leaf or 2

[brad091703 [OP]]

is there a tread with everything i need to know about doing this swap? please does ANYONE have a  complete list of what i need and what to do step by step. any help would be great. Thanks Guys. and also pics would be great.

Thanks again
Brad

[Phazertwo]

sounds like you need to check out the FAQ on pirate...  read that, it will answer every question that you have asked so far.

the topics are in abc... order

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459180

PZ

[brad091703 [OP]]

Thanks Man!