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4" All pro springs
« on: Jul 14, 2014, 12:00:20 AM »
Hello everyone...

Need your guys opinion on new springs. Im in the process of finishing my sas on my 87 4runner. Im running new 4" all pros and was wondering what the shackle angle should be at with the weight of the truck on the springs? I know it will change when the springs break in.I want to be sure I have It right before burning the front hanger in.  Thanks in advance

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #1 on: Jul 14, 2014, 12:28:30 AM »
What do you have now? everyone seems to like it kicked back from being verticle, but how much angle depends on each person. If i were you id try to shoot for it being slightly kicked back from verticle and then once the springs break in you will get a better angle.  (for what its worth, i started my rig with a 4" sas kit from trailgear, after those springs went to crap i switched the top 3 leafs out with the top three leafs of an allpro 4" kit, and my shackle angle went from about 30-40 degrees, to verticle with the allpro's.   Even with that i felt they rod better with the allpro mains than the old tg ones.)

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #2 on: Jul 14, 2014, 07:42:43 AM »
Right now its pretty much vertical. 

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #3 on: Jul 14, 2014, 09:00:35 AM »
Right now its pretty much vertical. 

you will want it slightly past vertical. once the springs settle in you should have about 15-20 deg shackle angle.
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #4 on: Oct 06, 2014, 07:07:41 PM »
My 4" AP's have my shackles leaning forward a hair after more than a year now. My old AP's didn't. Other than people telling me it looks funny, I can't tell a difference off road/on road and I've been driving my 4Runner for 16 years. Mine is an 85 with the AP front spring hangar.

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #5 on: Nov 21, 2014, 08:27:10 PM »
I'm getting ready to SAS my '90 and will want to run 35-36 tires. Thinking of getting All Pro kit with the 4" springs, but worried it will be too high....want low. They say their shackles are 1" lift...would the 4" springs with stock shackle length be a good setup?
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #6 on: Nov 21, 2014, 09:25:16 PM »
Do a ruf pack


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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #7 on: Nov 24, 2014, 03:17:33 PM »
Well i need the rest of the stuff in the All Pro kit so i'm already going to have All Pro springs. I don't already have RUFs. How will the All Pro set up be?
1990 Pickup XCab V6 3.0 SAS (in progress)
'83 8" trussed front axle rebuilt w/ marlin stuff
longfields, yukon 4:56, high pinion
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Detroit locker in rear
ARB Locker in front
Rancho Shocks Rear/Bilstein Front
Aisin Wheel hubs with 6 ARP studs and 6 pins each
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #8 on: Nov 24, 2014, 08:33:28 PM »
Ive heard good things about the all pro springs. At 46.25" the 4" springs are shorter than some other lift springs or RUF. If your not sure about the springs why not just piece the parts instead of the complete kit. If your up for figuring out the right spring combo for your liking RUF seems to be a favorite for good flex and low lift. Its cheaper too at about $50 a leaf pack.

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #9 on: Nov 24, 2014, 08:47:37 PM »
I'll check it out. I know RUFs are all the rave right now. :)
1990 Pickup XCab V6 3.0 SAS (in progress)
'83 8" trussed front axle rebuilt w/ marlin stuff
longfields, yukon 4:56, high pinion
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Detroit locker in rear
ARB Locker in front
Rancho Shocks Rear/Bilstein Front
Aisin Wheel hubs with 6 ARP studs and 6 pins each
Strong Idler Arm with brass bushings
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #10 on: Nov 25, 2014, 10:07:01 AM »
If you do not mind shopping around a little you would likely be able to find all the parts you need at a somewhat cheaper price instead of buying the complete kit from Allpro.
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #11 on: Nov 25, 2014, 01:22:26 PM »
I don't have faith in any trailgear components. I'll buy all pro or marlin parts if tally it individually. I'll post back what i get for a price difference.
1990 Pickup XCab V6 3.0 SAS (in progress)
'83 8" trussed front axle rebuilt w/ marlin stuff
longfields, yukon 4:56, high pinion
4" All Pro Springs
33"x12.5" BFG KM2
Detroit locker in rear
ARB Locker in front
Rancho Shocks Rear/Bilstein Front
Aisin Wheel hubs with 6 ARP studs and 6 pins each
Strong Idler Arm with brass bushings
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #12 on: Nov 25, 2014, 06:05:16 PM »
I think there's a pair of 4" Marlin front springs in the classifieds. Something like leafs is only a good deal if they are local to you though, shipping usually kills the deal.

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #13 on: Nov 25, 2014, 11:08:19 PM »
I don't have faith in any trailgear components. I'll buy all pro or marlin parts if tally it individually. I'll post back what i get for a price difference.

I am not talking about trail crap!

I am talking about other vendors, RuffStuff, and a newer shop SlagFactory, there are also man others.
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #14 on: Nov 26, 2014, 08:50:48 AM »
I am not talking about trail crap!

I am talking about other vendors, RuffStuff, and a newer shop SlagFactory, there are also man others.

Ill admit that it took me a while to find the good stuff as well. Only names I knew of when I first got a yota years ago where, Marlin Crawler, All-Pro, Alcan, and tg.... I swear all of the other companies besides trail gear have a passion for wheeling not just making money... I say that to make a point that their parts probably have more thought put into them and in the end perform much better then Trail gears..

Anyway... In two months or so ill have some 5" Allpros.... You can take a leaf out of them and drop it down to 4".... Its a long time to wait but if youre still looking at that time....
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #15 on: Nov 26, 2014, 12:24:29 PM »
Call All Pro and tell them what parts of their kit you want and they will price it accordingly.
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #16 on: Nov 26, 2014, 03:24:49 PM »
Thanks guys. RUFs really worth it over AP springs? Still rides ok on road? You have to add springs to get them to work right?

what about emu springs? soft, low, strong?
« Last Edit: Nov 26, 2014, 03:48:56 PM by beefyjw »
1990 Pickup XCab V6 3.0 SAS (in progress)
'83 8" trussed front axle rebuilt w/ marlin stuff
longfields, yukon 4:56, high pinion
4" All Pro Springs
33"x12.5" BFG KM2
Detroit locker in rear
ARB Locker in front
Rancho Shocks Rear/Bilstein Front
Aisin Wheel hubs with 6 ARP studs and 6 pins each
Strong Idler Arm with brass bushings
Custom runner bars/custom roll cage/custom tire carrier

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #17 on: Nov 26, 2014, 03:30:31 PM »
if you have the $$ go with allpros, if you are broke like most of us, do RUF. i made my setup as well as a couple others, real easy to make and yes you have to add a few leaves to get them to where u want, there is no SET lift they will give u, also depends on how worn the springs are u start off with.

i have them on my dd 85 runner as with chevy 63" springs in the rear and the ride is really good for leafs springs and the flex is crazy.
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #18 on: Dec 03, 2014, 11:30:27 PM »
Well all i can say is it depends on what you want out of your suspension. If you are gonna have extra weight when wheeling then you need to set your angles accordingly. All Pro springs in my opinion are the best out there. I have there 6'' springs on my 2nd gen 4runner and there great.  I always carry alot of stuff when im on the trail and weight adds up quick. Also 4'' springs are not going to give you much room for a 35'' or 36'' tire. You will either rub terribly, or bump stop it and way over-limit your up travel. It may say tire clearence for each spring on the sight, but its not the true nature. I still rubbed with the 6'' springs and 37's. I trimmed the hell out of it, but i set up my suspension the way i wanted it. Trial and error. BTW the springs will settle a considerable amount. Oh and im also on full widths so a little different there too.  :biggthumpup: :biggthumpup:
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #19 on: Dec 09, 2014, 11:13:32 AM »
Thanks. I talked with All Pro they are going to send me their low profile front hangers and 4" shackles with the 4" springs. This way i can stay low. I'll hack whatever i need to fit tires and bump stop as needed. I hate being high. They've got great customer service.
1990 Pickup XCab V6 3.0 SAS (in progress)
'83 8" trussed front axle rebuilt w/ marlin stuff
longfields, yukon 4:56, high pinion
4" All Pro Springs
33"x12.5" BFG KM2
Detroit locker in rear
ARB Locker in front
Rancho Shocks Rear/Bilstein Front
Aisin Wheel hubs with 6 ARP studs and 6 pins each
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Custom runner bars/custom roll cage/custom tire carrier

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #20 on: Dec 09, 2014, 12:16:02 PM »
Ya man I had there springs on my 1st gen pickup and now on my 2nd Gen runner. They flex awesome. And there customer service is great  :thumbs:
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #21 on: Dec 09, 2014, 12:25:42 PM »
I ran 4" mix of allpro/tg front pack and 63" chevys with blocks out back and it rode decent.  It was a good height imo on 36-37".  Even ran 39.5"s and just barely rubbed.

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #22 on: Dec 09, 2014, 12:55:46 PM »
Ya the rubbing part just depends on your model I guess. My 1st gen rubbed firewall with 6'' all pro springs and 35's so I dunno lol....I beat the hell out of it with a hammer and took care if it. And right now I have a 90' runner with 6" springs and I had to trim the hell out of it and set bump stops accordingly and works like a dream.
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #23 on: Dec 09, 2014, 12:59:26 PM »
My 3rd gen sas will move the axle forward 2". If i have to cut the fire wall and box it in i will. I'd rather not, but i just don't like rolling.
1990 Pickup XCab V6 3.0 SAS (in progress)
'83 8" trussed front axle rebuilt w/ marlin stuff
longfields, yukon 4:56, high pinion
4" All Pro Springs
33"x12.5" BFG KM2
Detroit locker in rear
ARB Locker in front
Rancho Shocks Rear/Bilstein Front
Aisin Wheel hubs with 6 ARP studs and 6 pins each
Strong Idler Arm with brass bushings
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #24 on: Dec 09, 2014, 01:12:02 PM »
I don't know about the 3rd gen, but my 2nd doesn't rub firewall. I have sky's full width hanger kit and I moved it to the furthest spot forward and the all pro springs are forward set 1.5 inches I believe so ya mines pretty far out there and I also moved my rear back 1.5 Iniches so I gained a good amount when I did my conversions.
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #25 on: Dec 09, 2014, 01:15:27 PM »
And I love the way the 3rd gens look bro. Should be a great build up man.  :biggthumpup:
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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #26 on: Feb 25, 2017, 10:44:34 PM »
Anyone have a seconds gen IFS with the 4" allpro swap?

Also curious if anyone has RUF with this setup - allpro Springs. Planning on running 35" would like to see some pictures if anyone has some.

I'm nearly finished and mine seems to be a good 8 -10 inches higher.  However it is not completely dialed in yet. Waiting on the spacers that was suppose to be in the kit. Under full weight I'm near vertical with my shackles. I have my album attached.

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Re: 4" All pro springs
« Reply #27 on: Mar 03, 2017, 01:07:59 PM »
I pieced my SAS kit together using different genders.  Allpro springs and hi-steer, front range hangars.  At the time FROR had lowest lift.  I run 35" KM2 with no running.  I do have 3" spacers front and 1.5" rear.  Tears were rubbing frame rail on full stuff.  Rims are IFS backspacing.  63s in rear with block.  Only 2.75" up travel in front though.  1st gen 4rnr no death wobble.  If memory serves set castor angle at 5* to help with recentering and large tires. 

 
 
 
 
 

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