Topic: 4 banger vs six

[guywithuglyyota]

I pick it up tomorrow!  Runs strong, no leaks ANYWHERE and the only sound the engine makes is from the injectors. VERY clean truck I was impressed. I will post pics soon.

I will definately feel sorta yuppy driving such a newer truck  (no offense to you other new school yota guys!) I loved my 81 but man, the driveability of the new ones is much improved. 

By the way, its a 22re    yeeeee haaaaaaw

[RUGER]

hot damn guywithuglyyota.

with the re too...kickass

happy trails
rich *ruger*  

[TacoRunner]

Hey BIGMIKE I got a different number from Toyota about the 3RZ everythings good, but they told me that it was rated 177@3600 RPM  just curious to know
One more thing my uncle is the service manager at the Thousand Oaks Toyota dealership, I asked about the VVT engine. From what he told me, its a great engine but not for our application. The engine is so totally controlled by the computer that if any little thing goes wrong most of the system shuts down and you have to start pulling codes like crazy. There is so much computer that you need a computer to tell you whats wrong.

[79coyotefrg]

Good advice, man good thing you took a gander, cracked frame is definately bad. Someday I will do some sort of engine swap. I am all about keeping things simple though, and I dont think it gets much smore simple than the 22re. Anyone have any experience with a stroked 22r???

well well well,   how much power do you want??  my engine , yes mikey i have it back from the machine shop waiting on some plasma rings for the keithblack pistons,      my 20/22 hybrid will easily put out 180+ HP  with a bigger cam and monster valves and side draft carbs i could pass 250HP maybe 300hp,   LC has turbo drag race engines putting out over 500 ponies

[BigMike]

Hey BIGMIKE I got a different number from Toyota about the 3RZ everythings good, but they told me that it was rated 177@3600 RPM just curious to know

Hmmm.... I wonder what year that is for? The number that I got came from here:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9975/dataBySubject/GasolineEngines.html
I've been using that list for a long time now, so I've just been trusting its accuracy. It lists a '97 at 150 hp. I got the '05 VVT-i data directly from:
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2005/tacoma/specs_double_cab.html

I asked about the VVT engine. From what he told me, its a great engine but not for our application. The engine is so totally controlled by the computer that if any little thing goes wrong most of the system shuts down and you have to start pulling codes like crazy. There is so much computer that you need a computer to tell you whats wrong.

Yup, I've heard horror stories about all the new computer stuff. A real pain in the arse to modify. But I would just leave that thing 100% stock and I would never complain

Cool info
BigMike

[79coyotefrg]

so mikey??   when you going to get that
supercharger from Lcengineering   or make one  


from LC's online catalogue
http://www.lcengineering.com/

Part Description: 3RZ Tacoma Supercharger Kit (95-99) - 4 psi

Racer Net Price $
Click your selection Quantity Price Each Discount
 1.00 $2,895.00 0.00%



 
 
 

Supercharger - 3RZ Supercharger Kit (95-04)

Get some significant bolt-on horsepower gains for your Tacoma! LC Engineering offers the original TRD Supercharger Kits manufactured by Alpine. With this bolt on kit you will receive all hardware and electronics to achieve an approximate 30 - 35 percent horsepower gain on your stock configured engine. There are no modifications needed and these kits are not detrimental to the life of the motor.

Note: All Supercharger kits for 1995-1999 Tacoma's offer a 4-psi boost pulley, all 2000 and new Supercharger kits offer an 8-psi boost pulley with an additional 5th injector. All Supercharger kits are recommended to run on premium unleaded gasoline.

 

 
 

[79coyotefrg]

found this on toysports site,      i already knew this but just for you guys 

The factory set the boost at 5.5-6 pounds, but completely stock internals survived boosts of up to 17-22 pounds, with proper fuel injection modifications.  This is a testimony to the bulletproof bottom end design.  Nitro / Methanol fueled dragsters, producing in excess of 1100 HP- used the original (modified) crankshafts and TOYSPORT pistons!


The carbureted engines developed 185-195 HP, but consistently out ran the 239-240 HP Ford engines in the same class.  The secret is in the torquey characteristics of the power band.  The limiting factor of this engine is also its strongest point.  The long stroke limits RPM capability to about 6200 maximum, but the bottom end will take a lot of abuse.  The crankshaft is forged.

[BigMike]

I will never drop $3000 on a TRD part. Im not even sure If I would pay half that price, especially when I can build my own for under $500.

Actually I talked alot about this over in the Parts Wanted section..
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=9462.0

They advantages of the TRD are (1) Smog Legal, and (2) it takes up space on the intake side of my engine in an area that is already cramped. So my exhaust side will be left open for plenty of room for A/C and on board air.

I guess I would rather have the TRD setup, but I can just as eaisly build my own Eaton M90 setup too

[79coyotefrg]

   i figured you could fab something cheaper,  i had faith in ya

[Weldo]

found this on toysports site, i already knew this but just for you guys

The factory set the boost at 5.5-6 pounds, but completely stock internals survived boosts of up to 17-22 pounds, with proper fuel injection modifications. This is a testimony to the bulletproof bottom end design. Nitro / Methanol fueled dragsters, producing in excess of 1100 HP- used the original (modified) crankshafts and TOYSPORT pistons!


The carbureted engines developed 185-195 HP, but consistently out ran the 239-240 HP Ford engines in the same class. The secret is in the torquey characteristics of the power band. The limiting factor of this engine is also its strongest point. The long stroke limits RPM capability to about 6200 maximum, but the bottom end will take a lot of abuse. The crankshaft is forged.

I read that whole page and was very impressed.  It sure made me feel better about my little 22RE, there's a helluva lot of potenital there!  In my opinion, my stock 91 22re is respectably powerful, so I get excited at the thought of adding a cam, header and exhaust, and maybe an upgraded ignition, ya know, just simple stuff, and it'll pull even better yet.  And if you dig into the motor, do some rebuilding, maybe drop on a 20R head with bigger valves, you could run with the sport tuners all day, and maybe even some V8s...   I'm sold on the 22RE, I think it's a great motor!

[79coyotefrg]

well ya cant put a 20head on the 91 but you can add that turbo header then find a turbo from a wrecked supra,    probably add another 150-200 hp

[LA_Fred]

I've driven 4 of em':
22r
22re
3v2
5vzfe

I like the simplicity of the 4's and the extra room in the engine bay. I hate the fact that the 4's have no torque! The best of the bunch is the 5vzfe! Get a v6 (3vze) truck and when the engine blows up, they make a kit that allows almost bolt on 3.4(5vzfe)! Add a supercharger and 7th injector kit and you get almost 300hp!!!!! That's what I'm going to do, but my truck only has like 80k miles so I got a loooooong way to go! I vote power, go 5vzfe!!!!!!!

[Weldo]

well ya cant put a 20head on the 91 but you can add that turbo header then find a turbo from a wrecked supra, probably add another 150-200 hp

Can you put a 20R head on an early 22RE?  Or is it a 20R head on a 22R?

[79coyotefrg]

if you dont want to use the efi,   or if you can "fab" really well  yea the "RE" is the problem

celicas had efi as early as 83 with 20R type pistons i have never tested that theory but if you could put the early flat top pistons in the 91 block