Author Topic: 6.0 With a Cold. Diesel TECHS help!!!!! (Read 8761 times)

patches · « **on:** Aug 30, 2011, 06:57:07 PM »

03 6.0 f-250 That runs fine when its warmed up.
Bone Stock as far as motor goes.
If its cold at rpm near 2500 it starts to hessitate and you have to let off the gas so it will shift. When you let off the gas she will poof a wee bit of white smoke.

Sometimes throws a restricted EGR code. But goes away by itself. This was prior to this whole mess.

I was going to do fuel filters on it just to get that out of the way because they havent been changed in a long long time.

Need some possible problems and a good explanation please.

Thanks!

ajordan1975 · « **Reply #1 on:** Aug 30, 2011, 07:12:37 PM »

I'm having the same problem. A mech buddy said that it's related to carbon build up. The mentioned a product called BGZ 109 should help this. If it don't it's a expensive fix! Talking about taking apart the upper half a letting parts soak. Hope the BGZ 109 stuff works! Can't afford the fix it bill that will come w/ this. I'll keep ya posted on what happens w/ the BGZ 109. Once I get this stuff cleaned up I'm planing to do the EGR delete.

patches · « **Reply #2 on:** Aug 30, 2011, 07:44:24 PM »

Yea I'll have to get some of that stuff. Does napa or any auto store like that carry it?

patches · « **Reply #3 on:** Aug 30, 2011, 07:46:44 PM »

I can't even find that stuff on google

ajordan1975 · « **Reply #4 on:** Aug 30, 2011, 07:53:31 PM »

That's been my problem too. I have another buddy that's a mech shop manager. He said he carries it at his shop. I'm going to try to get a bottle out of him tomorrow.bim not sure what all is involved w/ doing this. If it's more then just adding to the motor and running it I will probably just have his shop take care Of it for me. I'll keep ya posted.

mudmaster · « **Reply #5 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 11:23:38 AM »

Ask here: http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/ford-03-07-6-0l-powerstroke-forums/

There is a lot of knowledge on the site.

superyota · « **Reply #6 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 12:52:02 PM »

pm awhotrods. he is a guru when it comes to the ford 6.0 td. I know they are notorious for having egr problems. be careful it doesn't start leaking coolant into the motor. We had a buddy hydro lock his motor when the egr went out on his 6.0 ford td. my advice would be contact awhotrods considereing he has had his since it was new and has pretty worked out all the bugs over the last 7 or so years.

patches · « **Reply #7 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 06:20:17 PM »

pm sent. Thanks for the help guys!

crazykooter · « **Reply #8 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 06:23:01 PM »

I have a buddy thats going thru this with his 6.0. His truck is still under warranty so he managed to get it fixed at ford. Turned out to be the whole egr system was messed up and had to be replaced. It is a well known issue with these engines. I would take it to ford and let them tell you exactly what it is.

patches · « **Reply #9 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 06:40:38 PM »

i was going to try the hot soak method with sea foam first and fuel filters.

Ive seen 2 or 3 of these come into the shop i work at with injector problems.

ajordan1975 · « **Reply #10 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 07:04:55 PM »

Yeah. The 109 stuff is just an engine flush. Not going to try this. Going to take mine to a shop and see what they say.

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #11 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 07:26:55 PM »

I work on A LOT of the 6.0's and 4.5's which are the V6 knock off in the LCF's.... I've had to replace 3 intakes to date due to the massive amount of carbon build up in the intake manifold and EGR valve... Couldnt clean it well enough! If you are having to add any coolant you better think about replacing the EGR cooler along with the oil cooler as the EGR cooler is supplied with coolant from the oil cooler. Usually the oil cooler will become restricted and then starve the EGR cooler causing it to crack internally... I've had to do ALOT of oil coolers and EGR coolers in these things as well. Best way to test if the EGR cooler is leaking is to pressure up the coolant tank, jack the rear of the truck up and remove the EGR valve and take a peak inside. You'll know if its leaking.

patches · « **Reply #12 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 07:38:44 PM »

right on well ill have to give that a shot and take a look at it. Wont be till next monday or tuesday. But ill keep posted up on it when i figure it out

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #13 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 09:42:40 PM »

I see a lot of O-ring issues with the standpipes and injectors as well.... they have upgraded high pressure standpipes with teflon backing rings now too.... I wouldnt ever own a 6.0 but they sure do make me a lot of $$$$

patches · « **Reply #14 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 09:50:37 PM »

yea my neighbor ate like 3 turbos in his. I will steer clear of those bad boys

patches · « **Reply #15 on:** Aug 31, 2011, 09:56:41 PM »

its not mine but its a good friend. so im inclined to help

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #16 on:** Sep 01, 2011, 12:19:50 AM »

yeah they need to have the oil changed frequently, use OEM filters ONLY and they tend to run a lot longer and smoother if you open them up and get the carbon burned out of them.... I have to pull an engine out this week that I installed a year and a half ago.... 40,000 on a factory reman (oil pan to turbo) and it spun a rod bearing... I just put a tranny, tranny cooler, tcase, front driveline, alternator, belt, rear pads, rotors, left rear wheel bearing and turbo to charge air pipe hose on another one over the past two days.... Paid 25.3 hours $Beer Chug\'n$

patches · « **Reply #17 on:** Sep 01, 2011, 08:18:13 AM »

what shop rate are you at? we are at i want to say 90 or 95 bucks an hour. 25.3 hours could buy you so many beers its making my head spin!!!!

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #18 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 07:37:49 PM »

92 an hour.... I just pulled a 6.0 today... man I hate pulling those damn things.....

patches · « **Reply #19 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 07:40:55 PM »

The guy at the shop I work at just pulls the cab off first. But my boss does not like that very much hahaha

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #20 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 07:44:10 PM »

i unbolt the 6 cab bolts and jack it about 8 inches off the frame so I dont have to take the brake lines off

makes life easier but its still a pain in the ass.. its a warranty swap too so it only pays 12 hours..... took 10 to pull it and strip the parts off of it... damn thing broke a rod bolt and spun the bearing with only 40,000 miles ..... POS

patches · « **Reply #21 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 07:52:34 PM »

I haven't really worked on them because I'm on training and I don't do tear downs or anything that intense. But I see them come in with problems and help the mechanic fix it. I've seen enough to make me know that's a bad mo mo

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #22 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 08:03:02 PM »

yeah i've worked on way too many already.... done over 50-60 injectors and standpipes to date... Plus turbos, oil coolers, egr coolers, high pressure oil pumps, pistons, rod bearings, heads, intake manifolds, egr valves, FICM's, ICP sensors and solenoids, fan clutches, injector cups, fuel pumps, glow plugs, glow plug modules, ECM's, engines, trannys, tcases, etc. etc...... We have the Ford IDS/VCM setup and man that is incredible to help with diagnoses!

patches · « **Reply #23 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 08:10:22 PM »

We have a genesis scanner. And it doesn't help at all... With these ford diesels

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #24 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 08:13:05 PM »

yeah we have one of those as well... the IDS lets you control egr duty, cancel injectors, control the VGT, ect..... its nice but around 5-6 grand.

ajordan1975 · « **Reply #25 on:** Sep 02, 2011, 08:54:36 PM »

Once the 6.0 screws up really bad in mine it's getting a Cummings swap!!

crazykooter · « **Reply #26 on:** Sep 04, 2011, 08:58:28 AM »

Once you get the EGR issues fixed the engine will run for a long time without issue. Its not a engine mechanical issue. They are good engines and will do 300k no problem.

patches · « **Reply #27 on:** Sep 04, 2011, 11:02:50 AM »

ours could cancel the injectors and gave the mapping on it so you could watch it after you canceled it. but maybe its just we didnt know how to use it very well.

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #28 on:** Sep 08, 2011, 10:04:53 AM »

I've yet to see a 6.0 with 300k on the original engine.... Most all the ones I work on though are fleet rigs running PTO's and have A LOT of idle time which is what kills them!

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