22re vs 3vze aka slow

[81_yota]

so which is better ?

[emsvitil]

22RE




but I may be biased............

[Mavericks]

I have a 3.0 with 250 k and it has been a good motor and it pulls its self well up steep grades still. That being said I also have a 22re and its so much easier to work on and its reliable of course. Overall I would vote for the 22re.
what are you specifically asking?

[81_yota]

im buying a 89 runner with 3.0 motors junk i have a 22re my friend says just rebuild im sayin no ill just drop 22re with 22re trans and get rid of this 3.0

[bigarms23]

you might as well drop in a 3.4 and toss the 3.0

[81_yota]

wud but i already have the 22re setup

[81_yota]

im goona drop in 22r out of my other rig and 20r hybrid it and see how that rolls and after i finish my 81 rig do a 3.4 swap

[Goldrush]

good choice!!!

[silence007]

22RE



I wouldn't say bias, anyone knows that a 3.0 is junk. One of the Only things toyota messed up on is that engine. 


but I may be biased............

[81_yota]

except for some i read some guys say 3.0 way better then 22re i say yeah right 22re has more tq then v6 and v6 30 more hp big whoop

[Snowtoy]

The last of the 22re's was rated at 112hp and 142lbs of torque, while the last 3.0 was rated at 150hp and 180lbs of torque.  The 3.0 was designed to replace the 22ret which had 147hp and 174lbs torque.

Given your situation, dropping the 22re in the '89 would be the better choice over rebuilding the 3.0, since it will cost you basically nothing.  Other than having to relocate the engine mounts, it is a simple swap, even wiring it up is relatively painless.

[Rocksnail]

I like the power of the 3.0, my buddies will pull 5th gear no prob with 37s and 5.29  only thing that sucks about them is working on them, just my 2 cents

[Mavericks]

I like the power of the 3.0, my buddies will pull 5th gear no prob with 37s and 5.29  only thing that sucks about them is working on them, just my 2 cents

I agree I am putting my 2nd water pump in my 3.0 after a month I bought a new one not a rebuild and it leaked after a day so I am tearing into it again.  I was pissed but nothing I can do about it.

[Jaysen]

22re..never had a problem!

[emsvitil]

22re..never had a problem!

How many miles?

You'll eventually be changing the single row timing chain and POS plastic guides  (toyota's biggest screwup on the 22r)

[NorCalToy]

I have a 3.0 and overall its been good. It defineitly ahs more power stock for stock than the 22 series engine and as for reliability it hasn't ever left me stranded.

If you are gonna go through the trouble of an engine swap, swap in something worth the time. Something that actually has decent power....

[silence007]

I have a 3.0 and overall its been good. It defineitly ahs more power stock for stock than the 22 series engine and as for reliability it hasn't ever left me stranded.

If you are gonna go through the trouble of an engine swap, swap in something worth the time. Something that actually has decent power....

Yeah really from everything bad I have heard and learned from the Toyota  factory trainer at school I havn't heard of anyone getting stranded, although I only hear of bragging 250,xxx or so, my 22re has almost 400,xxx and still passes smog in CA.  If you got the change or can find one a 3.4 I believe will be R&R with wiring, could be wrong but heard that.

[NorCalToy]

Yeah really from everything bad I have heard and learned from the Toyota  factory trainer at school I havn't heard of anyone getting stranded, although I only hear of bragging 250,xxx or so, my 22re has almost 400,xxx and still passes smog in CA.  If you got the change or can find one a 3.4 I believe will be R&R with wiring, could be wrong but heard that.

When I pulled the 3.0 out of my truck after I bought it the truck had 331,000 on the original engine and I had a 4runner with 278,000 on the original engine. I think a big part is how well they were maintained.

[twistedtoy92]

Go with the 22re.... an inline is a much more reliable engine than a V or an opposed engine.... twice as many mains per rods......only one head, timing chain vs timing belt, water pumps take a mere half an hour to change, and the V6 doesnt have that much more power or torque than a stock RE especially considering the weight differences.

How many miles?

You'll eventually be changing the single row timing chain and POS plastic guides  (toyota's biggest screwup on the 22r)

engnbldr makes a nice set of steel backed guides!

[silence007]

When I pulled the 3.0 out of my truck after I bought it the truck had 331,000 on the original engine and I had a 4runner with 278,000 on the original engine. I think a big part is how well they were maintained.

that is very true, really only a certain production date period was that faulty bunch.  Not all 3.0L

[Goldrush]

that is very true, really only a certain production date period was that faulty bunch.  Not all 3.0L

what date period was that?

[silence007]

I don't remember off hand, in high school I started hearing bad things and I didn't  mess with them ever, then I heard about the recall on the 3.0L, and then found out it was a certain production.  If I remember I can ask the dealer tomorrow, I want to say 90 to 94, but just rough guess. 

[silence007]

So far just looking around on the cpu I found late 1990 through early 1995 p/u t-100 and 4 runner with the 3vze engine.  Recall on head gaskets,  I thought that was more publically known.  And with this search a recall on some early 3.4 as well, again with head gaskets.

[88sr5runner]

my 88 3.slow had headgaskets changed by a stealership at 67k miles. They hadnt failed yet but they were under recall.

[silence007]

Read a little about that recall, heard that one wasn't as honored depending on the dealership you went to,   for somereason I think it was a different cause and expired too after a certain amount of time.   seems toyota has a problem with the HG's.  if after market guides is my biggest problem with my 22re then great.  Gears will get you farther than a few horse/torque.  Leverage will always be the best way to transfer weight.

[81_yota]

Go with the 22re.... an inline is a much more reliable engine than a V or an opposed engine.... twice as many mains per rods......only one head, timing chain vs timing belt, water pumps take a mere half an hour to change, and the V6 doesnt have that much more power or torque than a stock RE especially considering the weight differences.

engnbldr makes a nice set of steel backed guides!

this guy knows what im sayin 4cyl way better in many ways cheaper to fix maintain cheaper on gas ect ect ect

[wakkjobb]

I'll cast my vote for a 22RE; going through a similar situation myself. Picked up a 94 4Runner w/ 3.0/auto for ultra-cheap but after searching/asking around I sold it 'cause it's a lousy starting point. Biggest thing IMO was the trans; getting an adapter for gear-drive t-case is $500+ IIRC (Inchworm?). Screw that; stick w/inlines until you have the $ for a 3.4 if you still want to go V6.

Supercharge it while you're at it... 
>>Dan

[SCyotacrawler420]

2.4 
3.0 
7MGTE! 

[Goldrush]

the 7mgte is the supra motor right?

[twistedtoy92]

yes sir!