Toughest 6-Lug

[Sluice Box Hero]

ok ok, im in a bind here. 

I need a tough full-width (or close) 6-lug axle.

i have a line on a chebby 12 bolt, but i would like to run 37" tires locked, and thats well beyond the 12 bolts limits.

so, ive heard about a Semi Float 14 bolt.  i guess its the same ring, pinion, axles, only its not full float whatever that means.  anyway, its not as tough as a FF14, but still have enough beef, like between a D44 and a D60.  if someone can tell me more, i would like any information i can get.

then there are the toyota T100 axles, i know nothing about these, but if they are as tough as a narrow toy axle these would probably have almost enough beef if i laied off the skinny.  can someone tell me the wms to wms, average cost, and toughness of this axle?

Tundra axle, again, i have no idea. again, can i get wms to wms and a price range on these?

Im shooting for about 67"wms to wms, maybe a little bit skinnier.

thanks,
Callen

[kyle_22r]

i think the SF 10 bolt has something like a 9.5" ring gear rather than a 10.5" one.  don't quote me on that though, i think it's still plenty beefy, way better than a 10 or 12 bolt anyhow

the t100 axles have the same third member as the taco/tundra.  it's the girdled cap style "8.4" diff, which is the beefiest 8" style toyota one out there currently.  i think the shafts are the same as any other 8", 30 spline and nice and beefy

[Sluice Box Hero]

kyle, i think you meant the SF14 bolt, not 10 bolt.

do you know the width of the tundra/taco axle?

Callen

[kyle_22r]

yup, you're right.   

the pirate toyota FAQ says the T100 axle is 66.75" wide, while the taco axle is 60.75"

[dirtbag]

the 14SF is an 8-lug axle without the center hub, basically like a Toyota, where if the axleshaft breaks, the whole wheel & axleshaft comes out of the assembly, whereas a Full-Floating rear axle, i.e. Dana 60, or a 14-Bolt FF, D70, D80, etc. if the axleshaft breaks, you can remove it without taking the wheel off of the rotors or drums, since on a semi-floating axle, the axleshaft & tire supports the weight of the vehicle, whereas a full-float rear axleshaft does NOT support the weight of the vehicle, the wheel and brakes, etc. does. Sorry for the long explanation.

http://www.imajeep.com/faq/semi_vs_%20full_%20floating.htm
http://www.cs.odu.edu/~glaves/chris/axle/
http://www.m38a1.ca/axles.html


BEST LINK:   http://www.venturesparts.com/rear_axle_identification.htm


#1 is a semi-floating axle


#2 is a 14-Bolt Full-floating axle. Dana 60's, etc. will be like this as well.





PS ALL front axles are full-floaters 



you're welcome,
DB

[Benny]

the 14SF is an 8-lug axle without the center hub, basically like a Toyota, where if the axleshaft breaks, the whole wheel & axleshaft comes out of the assembly, whereas a Full-Floating rear axle, i.e. Dana 60, or a 14-Bolt FF, D70, D80, etc. if the axleshaft breaks, you can remove it without taking the wheel off of the rotors or drums, since on a semi-floating axle, the axleshaft & tire supports the weight of the vehicle, whereas a full-float rear axleshaft does NOT support the weight of the vehicle, the wheel and brakes, etc. does. Sorry for the long explanation.

http://www.imajeep.com/faq/semi_vs_%20full_%20floating.htm
http://www.cs.odu.edu/~glaves/chris/axle/
http://www.m38a1.ca/axles.html


BEST LINK:   http://www.venturesparts.com/rear_axle_identification.htm


#1 is a semi-floating axle


#2 is a 14-Bolt Full-floating axle. Dana 60's, etc. will be like this as well.





PS ALL front axles are full-floaters 



you're welcome,
DB

Yes, but there ARE 6 lug Semi floating 14 bolts. they are very few 90s 2wd chevys. My buddy has one. for sale too

[Sluice Box Hero]

the chebby or the 14bolt??

ill trade him a 12 bolt and some $$ for the 14 bolt, that way he can just slap it in there and no one will ever know the difference, and ill have my SF 6-Lug 14 bolt.

where you at benny?

Callen

[kyle_22r]

and actually, if you break a shaft it's not guaranteed to come out unless it's a C clip axle(is the 14SF a c-clip axle?).  toys and ford 9" axles are held in by the bearing at the end of the tubes, so if the bearing goes out say goodbye to your shaft(still better than a c clip by far though)

happeneds on my dad's f150 about 10 years ago, we were bringing a heavy old rickety camper home that we got for free when the bearing went out due to the excessive load and the passenger axle shaft shot out like a rocket.  the shaft, tire and all bounced off the guard rail(we were in the slow lane) and across 4 lanes of traffic and landed in the bushes on the other side of i5

scary stuff!

[dirtbag]

YES, a 14SF is a C-clip axle, along with a 12-bolt.


BTW, those 6-lug 14-bolt semi-floats are called, I believe, a 14C, also a C-clip-type axle.

[dirtbag]

also, are you going full-width, or trying to keep it close to stock?

[Sluice Box Hero]

67", full width, thats why the T-100 axle looked like a good one for the job, but as this prgresses, its looking like i might as well just slap some moser shafts into my 12bolt (its already got 5.13 to match the front) and call it good, maybe get a spool for it, or weld the hell out of it.

Callen

[Sundowner]

Iv'e built a few 14 bolts in the FF version, and Iv'e torn down a SF 14 bolt. the SF is a completely different axle and a waste of time and money, IMO. 

best 6 lug you're gonna find is going to be a custom built ford 9", which you can get with up to 35 splines fora locer application and 40 splines for a spool application.

best bang for the buck 6 lug is probably gonna be an full floating FJ 80 rear end with factory discs and an electric locker.

[WHITE_TRASH]

Look for a Z-71 chevy pickup if you want a semi floater 14 bolt with 6 lug.  If I was going this route I would get a 9" housing out of a fullsize truck and cut it down myself (REALLY easy to do) and order custom axles from Randy's ring & pinion for $250.

[Sluice Box Hero]

what truck came with a 67" Ford 9"?

i have also been looking at milling down some 14FF hubs to fit inside a toy wheel.  suposidly its pretty easy to do, i may go this route.  all i need to do it use chebby D44 Discs on it and youre set.

Callen

[WHITE_TRASH]

The 14 bolt would need at least a 40" tire to have ANY ground clearance.  Its a freaking monster.  Id say that about any f150 would have one wider than 67" and you could narrow it yourself.  Its easy to do.

[Benny]

the chebby or the 14bolt??

ill trade him a 12 bolt and some $$ for the 14 bolt, that way he can just slap it in there and no one will ever know the difference, and ill have my SF 6-Lug 14 bolt.

where you at benny?

Callen

The 14 bolt is for sale. The truck is being parted. Portland area

[Sluice Box Hero]

benny, how much?  what are the gears, i need something with a 4 series carrier and decent gears in it to start out with.

Callen