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so basicly what you are trying to prove is that your steel isn´t weaker than the competetors, not that usa hrew is stronger than usa dom.
Its great you did this test because i can say i even got fooled for the idea of their DOM being stronger......i couldn't build them out of US DOM for what it cost to buy them from Trail-Gear. So i assumed DOM is DOM and after receiving them i realized that is far from true.
As proven here, just because it's DOM doesn't mean it's more dent resistant than HREW.
I dented my TG sliders, dropping off onto a rock. Not a big dent, but eh..
I assume this is referring to TG products......here we go again.........I guess this AIN'T ever gonna end.......Everyone please quit the hatin' on one another please..It just looks desperate, thats all....Anyone ever look at it from another point of view(non-wheeler perspective)?...Thats just childish if you ask me..ONE MAY BITE YOU, BUT IF YOU BITE BACK, YOU'RE JUST AS BAD.....
I guess this AIN'T ever gonna end
I assume ......
The discussion here is regarding DOM and HREW steel tube. Mike specifically referred to "Competitors", NOT Trail Gear or any other specific competitor
I believe he is referring to ANYONE who uses China made DOM tubing for their parts.
Thank you FFC, this is CORRECT.I never mentioned where the competitor gets their DOM. I did mention to be careful with low grade DOM pretending to be more "dent resistant". As proven this is NOT true.If you want to buy a DOM bumper, I HIGHLY recommend you look for a company who offers real certified USA DOM.BigMike
ONE MAY BITE YOU, BUT IF YOU BITE BACK, YOU'RE JUST AS BAD.....
Anyone ever look at it from another point of view(non-wheeler perspective)?
I did real testing on real machines using real materials and have presented real facts.
That swirl make in your sliders is from a sander. It was cleaned up from a weld to fill a pit or it was spliced to make a longer tube.
uh no, he's talking about a twisting swirl, like a barbers swirly sign thingywhich is a sign of really cheap steel
Yup, the thread I posted on Pirates was moved to a hidden forum, and I received an email from CAMO to call him to discuss it.According to Camo, I was "spamming" and it was not a tech article. He said he would give it an "F" grade for a tech article. I even edited the closing paragraph before I posted it by removing the references to buy our product.He offered to move the thread to the vendors section but said that he thinks what I am doing is a very bad idea because I am, quote "fighting a public perception" -- WELL PRECISELY!! THE TRUTH MUST BE KNOW THAT THERE IS A COMPANY SELLING SOFTER BUMPER MATERIAL MASQUERADING IT AS MORE DENT RESISTANT THAN OUR OWN!He told me, quote "I think you are trying to swim upstream without a paddle", and he said "the war was getting started".Yeah, the war I am looking for is to educate people!We get COUNTLESS emails and phone calls asking why our Body Armor is not as strong as a competitor's DOM. Who knows this to be true? Has anyone ever bothered to test this claim until now?? It is a massive widespread misconception that when the competitor uses the term "DOM", it is some golden platter of instant dent resistance! And until now no tech article has proven this to be true or not!So my article was moved to the Vendor section and is located here: http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=803975 You can see how I downplayed the closing paragraph:I would have to say this is perhaps the most unbiased article with the most substantiated claims I've ever written. I have been learning a lot in terms of how to post articles of this magnitude and I think it shows. It is well structured and organized, starts with a motivation and an abstract, and has a conclusion that supports the assumptions made.I am going to cut this short to say alas, we really need to build a working relationship with Pirates as they are the largest forum for advertising, so I am not going to get into conspiracy over why this happened.Camo said the discussion may be moved back to the Toyota - Truck and 4Runner tech forum but he wants someone other than me to create a new topic about it.Kind Regards,BigMike
Nice going! Its neat to see results like this. Now to play the devils advocate. What if the dent or rock slides on the seam of HREW tubing? VS Seamless DOM?I don't doubt that your steel is stronger but just thought I would ask. Don't worry every piece of prefabbed steel on my truck is from marlin and thanks cause Ive given them a beating!
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.tryn2Crawl:I really cant stand stupid people. If you believe the lies that TG tells you, then you're just the idiot that should buy their crap. You are on a Marlin Crawler forum, if you think for a second that MC supporters on here will side with anything that forked tounged devil has to say over at TG they youshould go back to sticking your head in the sand. I cant believe that with all the TG bashing that has gone on here and at PBB that you would even consider buy that China crap. Take the name TG out of the equation for just a moment, why would you ever want to buy product that flat out sucks. I've been on their site plenty of times and nothing that they offer, either in their design nor their pricing is appealing. Cheap pricing, WOW good, go get yourself some good old fashion crappy product. Then you'll be that guy I laugh at for buying the cheapest stuff on the market, simply because you think its cool. I think the statement above needs repeating.tryn2Crawl:What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=804607Anything else i can do?
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