Author Topic: stock rears up front (Read 4000 times)

Halladay · « **on:** Jun 07, 2009, 10:06:46 PM »

ok so this is what im working with stock rears in the front and back. the only thing i dont like is how flat my fronts are. what can i mix them with and make them arch like a spring should and not take away flex? any ideas?

superyota · « **Reply #1 on:** Jun 07, 2009, 10:46:19 PM »

get another pack of rear and pull a couple of leafs out to add to yours. another good option is get a set of lift rear springs(around a 3in. ift) and put the whole pack in the front. i''m running nwor 3in. lift rears in the front and they work great. any leaf you find that has an arch to it. you can even get something long and cut it down if you need to so it fits.

Halladay · « **Reply #2 on:** Jun 07, 2009, 10:53:11 PM »

i do have extra spings in the garage out of a stock rear pack. but they are a overload and some random short one. two overloads would just make it stiff right?

superyota · « **Reply #3 on:** Jun 08, 2009, 08:51:54 AM »

yea, i wouldn't run the overloads. you want to try to run a longer spring out of the pack so that it covers a larger area of the existing leaf that you set it under. to short of a leaf and stiff can cause the leafs to bend and the end points of the short leaf that you add in(i hope that makes sense). if you need some leafs i have a full set of rears that i can pull apart and send you some of the leafs. let me know.

All_Set · « **Reply #4 on:** Jun 08, 2009, 10:15:53 AM »

What happened to the stock front packs? Just pull several out of there, cut to length, add'em in. It's common for RUF's to include 2-4 leafs from the original front spring pack for the very reason you stated.

Halladay · « **Reply #5 on:** Jun 08, 2009, 10:37:21 AM »

i did a SAS on it... there was no front pack befor just a huge hunk of ifs that looked like :

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Halladay · « **Reply #6 on:** Jun 08, 2009, 10:38:11 AM »

superyota where are you located?

superyota · « **Reply #7 on:** Jun 08, 2009, 10:39:59 AM »

san luis obispo, ca and bakersfield, ca. i travel back and forth on a weekly basis.

Halladay · « **Reply #8 on:** Jun 08, 2009, 10:53:07 AM »

oh im in oregon.... i think i could find some rears on CL no problem thanks for the offer. any one got any pics of rears mixed up in the front?

All_Set · « **Reply #9 on:** Jun 09, 2009, 07:46:33 AM »

Quote from: Halladay on Jun 08, 2009, 10:53:07 AM

oh im in oregon.... i think i could find some rears on CL no problem thanks for the offer. any one got any pics of rears mixed up in the front?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9821897&postcount=315

From here:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=265669&page=7

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #10 on:** Jul 16, 2009, 01:38:28 PM »

for the record you DO NOT do this http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t93/johnhalladay/4x4/w.jpg

NorCalToy · « **Reply #11 on:** Jul 16, 2009, 04:50:52 PM »

Quote from: 79coyotefrg on Jul 16, 2009, 01:38:28 PM

for the record you DO NOT do this http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t93/johnhalladay/4x4/w.jpg

are you talking about the jack with a wood block?

what are you supposed to do then glen? i know my jack doesnt go tall enough to get to my frame. i would set up some jackstands myself, but what else can you do?

Halladay · « **Reply #12 on:** Jul 16, 2009, 05:29:44 PM »

yea what dont you do? if its the block of wood i know that was scechy but i had no other option. i had my jackstanks holding up the frame behind the shackles and the floor jack was just holding the front from rocking..... whats the other option besides buying jack stands???

82juguete · « **Reply #13 on:** Jul 17, 2009, 11:44:13 PM »

I think he could be saying not to run the rears up front AS IS, with the overload and everything....that is, unless you want your rig to double as a snowmobile with those rock anchors hangin out there.

could be wrong though...

Halladay · « **Reply #14 on:** Jul 18, 2009, 12:19:07 PM »

overloads are in so they dont de arch. im replacing all my springs with marlin springs so im not worryed about it

whokrz · « **Reply #15 on:** Jul 19, 2009, 08:58:36 AM »

Quote from: Halladay on Jun 08, 2009, 10:53:07 AM

oh im in oregon.... i think i could find some rears on CL no problem thanks for the offer. any one got any pics of rears mixed up in the front?

Here is a picture of when I was making my front pack

There are more pictures on http://www.gentryoffroad.com/php/trucks/904runner/phaseI/
I have a S10 leaf in the pack because they are 51" rears with 48" rears the S10 leaf should not be necessary.

Halladay · « **Reply #16 on:** Jul 20, 2009, 10:07:02 AM »

there is a overload in there right? it looks like it. what is the guy talking about saying you never do this???!!!

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #17 on:** Jul 20, 2009, 06:42:44 PM »

Quote from: NorCalToy on Jul 16, 2009, 04:50:52 PM

are you talking about the jack with a wood block?

what are you supposed to do then glen? i know my jack doesnt go tall enough to get to my frame. i would set up some jackstands myself, but what else can you do?

no no, thats not what i was talking about,

i actually didnt even notice the wood block till you said that.

the un touched stock rear leaf pack in the front is what i was talking about. I dont think ive ever seen anyone ACTUALLY take the entire unmodified rear pack and move them to the front

Halladay · « **Reply #18 on:** Jul 20, 2009, 06:47:48 PM »

me neither... but they flex 37 inchs....

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #19 on:** Jul 20, 2009, 08:11:15 PM »

i used stock 92 yota rears with 84 yota rears cut down....7 leafs total and i had an incredible amount of flex.... and free too

NorCalToy · « **Reply #20 on:** Jul 20, 2009, 10:25:58 PM »

Quote from: 79coyotefrg on Jul 20, 2009, 06:42:44 PM

no no, thats not what i was talking about, i actually didnt even notice the wood block till you said that.

the un touched stock rear leaf pack in the front is what i was talking about. I dont think ive ever seen anyone ACTUALLY take the entire unmodified rear pack and move them to the front

ok, then im sorry for jumpin your ass about it.

82juguete · « **Reply #21 on:** Jul 21, 2009, 01:34:14 AM »

Quote from: Halladay on Jul 20, 2009, 06:47:48 PM

me neither... but they flex 37 inchs....

No one is doubting the flex, overloads arent going to hinder that...
But have you tested them out on something other than a forklift???

On the trail i can imagine your truck acting as a forklift as well, scooping up all the rocks in your path.

This is why rears up front are generally a mix of several spring packs, to create the stability and height an overload provides without the stiffness/ bulkiness/ clearance issues, etc.

Halladay · « **Reply #22 on:** Jul 21, 2009, 08:54:05 AM »

i have never had a problem with them as rock ancors...

MiniSimp · « **Reply #23 on:** Jul 21, 2009, 10:32:34 AM »

I'm running 5 leafs mixed from 2 packs, top 3 from one, bottom 2 from another.
Made them to sit as flat as possible, trying to get them flatter.
Take the extra leafs that you have and see which one has the most arc, add that one in.
Don't make too thick a pack or your leaves will hit your drag link at full PS droop.

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