Topic: '82 5 speed: better than my l43?

[kyle_22r]

well, i think the topic states the obvious.  i've found a 5 speed tranny and t-case from an '82 for sale for reasonably cheap($250, i could always sell the case if i need to make up the money ), guy says it's out of a truck that was never wheeled.  will this be any upgrade in strength from the L43 in my '79?  i've been wanting to step up a 5 speed, as i don't like the high first gear and incredibly sloppy shifting my 4 speed has

[Marlin]

Yes, the '82 trans would be a great upgrade
Especially if it has the 80 mm front bearing.

You will need to do a number of changes to install the trans.
1. Two lower bellhousing bolts, they are longer.
2. '81-'95 clutch slave cylinder. [Do not reuse the orginal fork return spring.]
3. '81 and newer release bearing with collar and fork.
3. Trim floor board as required to convert to the top shifting L52 trans. [The old L43 was a right hand, side shifting 4 speed.]
4. To match the transmission output coupler, the oversized transfer case input splines will need to be ground for clearance.

Marlin

[BigMike]

Yes, the '82 trans would be a great upgrade
Especially if it has the 80 mm front bearing.

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3. Trim floor board as required to convert to the top shifting L52 trans.

Hey Marlin,

How could you know if its a L52? Chances are its a L50 since the L52 was not available until 11/1982. The L50 that the truck most likely had does not have a 80mm front bearing but rather a 75mm input bearing, plus it would have a non-sealed output shaft bearing.

BOOM! BIGMIKE IS THE TECH MASTER!!!!!!!!



Whattcha got?!


--> BigMike

[b_ripper8]

Speaking of Trans identification...I just got an 81' t-case and what is believed to be an 83' 5-speed trans with t-case in trade for some tires on rims. I'm looking all over this Tranny and I have no idea how to identify it. Any hints?

[kyle_22r [OP]]

Hey Marlin,

How could you know if its a L52? Chances are its a L50 since the L52 was not available until 11/1982. The L50 that the truck most likely had does not have a 80mm front bearing but rather a 75mm input bearing, plus it would have a non-sealed output shaft bearing.

BOOM! BIGMIKE IS THE TECH MASTER!!!!!!!!



Whattcha got?!


--> BigMike

yeah, but wouldn't it still be better than the stocker L43 i have?  makes a LOT of noise in reverse(been doing it since i got mad at somebody cutting in front of me in the gas station line, dumped the clutch in reverse )

[BigMike]

Speaking of Trans identification...I just got an 81' t-case and what is believed to be an 83' 5-speed trans with t-case in trade for some tires on rims. I'm looking all over this Tranny and I have no idea how to identify it. Any hints?

Since I am a Toyota Truck Tech Master as proved in my previous post (:bull crap:), let me share with you a simple way to identify between a L50 and a L52..

1) Remove nose cone. 12mm bolts.
2) Check the part number on the Input shaft's bearing.

The L52 will be either a 63/32N, B32-14UR, or a 032-2 C/3. This is the wider bearing (L52) that was offered starting in 11/82 and until 11/83, however we have seen a couple L52s in 84 model trucks (amazing discoveries).

yeah, but wouldn't it still be better than the stocker L43 i have? makes a LOT of noise in reverse(been doing it since i got mad at somebody cutting in front of me in the gas station line, dumped the clutch in reverse )

Oh yes, the L50/52 series is a much better transmission then a 4spd, especially the L43 4spd which is the first 4WD manual transmission Toyota ever made.

It is noisiest in reverse because the reverse gear and reverse idler gear are both a spur / straight / parallel-toothed cut gear, whereas all of the other gears in Toyota's 4WD transmissions are all Helical cut gears. Helical gears are quieter + stronger, but cost more to manufacture. Also you might have noticed that you can not engage reverse while moving maybe +3 MPH, that's because Toyota also saved cost by not adding synchros to reverse gear.

Here's the difference between helical and straight:

[kyle_22r [OP]]

also, correct me if i'm wrong, but can't it be turned into an L52HD if it blows up on me?

[BigMike]

Yes, Marlin can turn either a L50 or a L52 into a L52HD.

[Marlin]

Hey Marlin,

How could you know if its a L52? Chances are its a L50 since the L52 was not available until 11/1982. The L50 that the truck most likely had does not have a 80mm front bearing but rather a 75mm input bearing, plus it would have a non-sealed output shaft bearing.

BOOM! BIGMIKE IS THE TECH MASTER!!!!!!!

Whattcha got?!

--> BigMike

To wannabe tech master ------

The L52 with the 80 mm front input bearing would of been available on 8/82 and newer trucks for the 83 model year, however, I have seen a name plate above the valve cover that showed the L52 in a 3/82 truck?

The rear main shaft bearing that you refer to as the "non sealed output shaft bearing" was only found on the '81-82 L45 4 speed trans. Although it is still available, it shoud not be used. A sealed bearing will last longer and was used in all L50 and 52 trans.

Check your source before you post

Marlin

[Marlin]

Speaking of Trans identification...I just got an 81' t-case and what is believed to be an 83' 5-speed trans with t-case in trade for some tires on rims. I'm looking all over this Tranny and I have no idea how to identify it. Any hints?

There will be an 8 digit number stamped at the bottom of the trans, across the back of the cast iron housing right in front and below the aluminun t/case adapter.
It may sometimes be partly blocked by the aluminum housing, and if there is no number found, then it was a new trans sold after 8/84.

The first two numbers are the month, next the year, and then the serial number on the trans.
06300985  would be a June of 83 and the 985th trans built in that month.

It is sometimes possible to i. d. the trans thur the serial number.

What is the number on your trans?

Marlin

[BigMike]

Well I tried to challenge the mighty Marlin but he smited me like a narc at a biker rally.

[b_ripper8]

Thanks for the tech info Marlin and Mike. I'm cleaning it up to find the serial # now.

[mddmaddog]

I got a 1980 toyota 4x4 pick-up got the 20r four cylinder and the l43 tranny 4 speed. The l43 is no good. Like to put a 5 speed in it how hard is it?

[lilbuddy]

I got a 1980 toyota 4x4 pick-up got the 20r four cylinder and the l43 tranny 4 speed. The l43 is no good. Like to put a 5 speed in it how hard is it?

This hard...

Yes, the '82 trans would be a great upgrade
Especially if it has the 80 mm front bearing.

You will need to do a number of changes to install the trans.
1. Two lower bellhousing bolts, they are longer.
2. '81-'95 clutch slave cylinder. [Do not reuse the orginal fork return spring.]
3. '81 and newer release bearing with collar and fork.
3. Trim floor board as required to convert to the top shifting L52 trans. [The old L43 was a right hand, side shifting 4 speed.]
4. To match the transmission output coupler, the oversized transfer case input splines will need to be ground for clearance.

Marlin

[kyle_22r [OP]]

hey, those bolts are a PITA to find.  here's the part number, 91619-61260

other than that it's a pretty easy swap.  just get a clutch hub, fork and slave with the tranny if you can, otherwise you can get them at the dealer(pretty cheap if i remember right).  on mine, i had to cut a little off the ends of the 2 top tranny bolts, they bottomed out for some reason.

the tranny has held up pretty good since i put it in, a little noisy in 5th but i'm planning to eventually replace it with a W56.  was kind of nice to be able to bolt it right in and have it on the road quick though.

[mddmaddog]

Is the  l50 or l52 the way to go? I dont need to pull it for a 5th time 

[kyle_22r [OP]]

they are the same, but the L52 has the bigger 80mm input bearing.  the way to go is to have marlin's L52-HD, which is a bored out L45/L50/L52 case with the guts from a G54 transplanted into it

[shad]

I have my old L52 up for sale. $75 obo.
It turns out it was a good transmission the grinding noise was a bolt from the engine bellhousing sheild rubbing against the flywheel.
Mine just needs new output seals on the t-case. It comes with the slave cylinder and the shifter fork.

Bryan
 

[79coyotefrg]

Is the  l50 or l52 the way to go? I dont need to pull it for a 5th time

where are you  ??

[brainlessfool]

To wannabe tech master ------

you stink
Check your source before you post

Marlin

there I "cleaned " it up for ya!    


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[mddmaddog]

where are you? Iim in WA

I have my old L52 up for sale. $75 obo.
It turns out it was a good transmission the grinding noise was a bolt from the engine bellhousing sheild rubbing against the flywheel.
Mine just needs new output seals on the t-case. It comes with the slave cylinder and the shifter fork.

Bryan
 

[mddmaddog]

Im in WA