Getting banned

[junya92toy]

WHy can I get banned over a debate when I never called anyone names, cursed or threatened anyone? Just because someone gets butt hurt over the fact I have a diffrent point of view means Im banned?

[KYOTA]

maybe because you were trying to figure out a way to wheel on private land without getting caught? just a guess

oh and I took another point 

[KDXSR5]

It was the subject the debate was on, and that you were advocating it was ok to do the wrong thing (as seen in the majority's eyes). What you were saying puts a negative light on the Marlin community for anyone who is just glancing at the site and did not know what was going on or whatever. Giving ammunition to the greenies, whatever... it was just not a good thing. Bottom line is there is a time and a place for that debate, but the shoutbox on Marlin is probably not the best place for it and hopefully you will change your viewpoint in the future.

[DTB]

Dont ever talk about wheeling on private land or ANYWHERE without permission...on the internet, in person, joking or not

END OF STORY.....it aint cool and it aint right


DELETE this thread now before it gets out of hand

[Rocksurfer]

So I guess I can wheel on your grass in your front yard? I think not you wouldn't be happy and just because someone has 50 acres and you want to play on it does not make it OK.

[KDXSR5]

No use trying to argue the point one way or the other, its done.

[DTB]

Dont make me call the Drama Alpaca on youse guys

[Cheesemaker]

We are very PROTECTIVE of what land we get to wheel on!  As the trails we love are disappearing before our eyes.  We want our fellow wheelers to do the RIGHT thing.  And obey all laws, so we don't give fuel for the fire.  We organize trail cleanup parties, help install pit toilets, and help raise funds to help fight, to keep public land open with the promise, that we will be stewards of the land and be roll models for those fellow wheelers around us.  All it takes is a couple bad apples to ruin it for the thousands of us that respect the trail, and love the trail.

So, make the right decision is all we ask!!

[KYOTA]

So I guess I can wheel on your grass in your front yard? .

YES you can until he comes and tells you not to

[Rocksurfer]

And then I'll just sneak back on.

[79coyotefrg]

And then I'll just sneak back on.

yep, cause theres not a sign saying you cant   or a gate, according to him if theres no gate or sign, or even if there is a sign on a gate if the gate doesnt have a good lock he can still wheel there

[junya92toy]

I never said it was ok to wheel on PP. I never said I was going to wheel on PP.  And give me that crap about Losing trails and bleh bleh bleh. Trust me I hate seeing illegal 4wheeling, people tearing up the trails, or forests and I report dumping too.  I was more so trying to get everyones idea of what really needs to be there to close a area. A pile of rocks or a actually sign. And 70coyotafrg always complains when something isnt the way he sees it.

[KDXSR5]

I never said it was ok to wheel on PP. I never said I was going to wheel on PP.  And give me that crap about Losing trails and bleh bleh bleh. Trust me I hate seeing illegal 4wheeling, people tearing up the trails, or forests and I report dumping too.  I was more so trying to get everyones idea of what really needs to be there to close a area. A pile of rocks or a actually sign. And 70coyotafrg always complains when something isnt the way he sees it.

Nothing "needs to be there" to close an area because land should be assumed private if you are unsure if it is public or not.

[eazy]

I want to appoligize fr the Marlin community I did not intend for the things i said to be a problem. I did'nt even think about what i said. I do not condone tresspassing. I do not know if the place I was talking about was actually illegal or not I was only using it as a figure of speach. Though after this incedent I will find out if it is or not by asking the proper athorities and land owner's permission. I've been "wheeling" this area for about ten years and never have I been approched or told not to be there there are no signs,burms or fences on the "power lines so i have just simply assumed that it was "OK". The abandoned farm/ranch I was refering to has been abandoned for close to twenty years+ according to locals that I have talked to.There are miles and miles of traiols in this area since it is for the most part rural.The locals use this land for hunting and fishing and the "wheeling" that i do there is very mild with the exception of a few places that no one has driven since the area was abandoned it is very nice place to take my son(2yrs old) that is very mild and  close to home.And again I appoligize to every one.


                                              Ezra

 

             

[DTB]

There is joking around and there is joking around......

wheeling on private property or illegal wheeling is not one of those things we joke about.......








midgets with glowsticks having relations are the type of things we joke about

[KYOTA]

I never said it was ok to wheel on PP. I never said I was going to wheel on PP.  And give me that crap about Losing trails and bleh bleh bleh. Trust me I hate seeing illegal 4wheeling, people tearing up the trails, or forests and I report dumping too.  I was more so trying to get everyones idea of what really needs to be there to close a area. A pile of rocks or a actually sign. And 70coyotafrg always complains when something isnt the way he sees it.

sure didnt sound that way.

[cruzila]

Brought this back out because we all need to take a look at our protective nature.

I hear Jerry92 asking some questions that sound like he supports something he does not. Note the quote above

Either he has been a lurker for 4 years or just re-found the marlin board.

Anyways, my opinion is land marked private is just that. Notice that you are not allowed without permission. Permission should be needed without any signage otherwise any suburban neighborhood would be fair game for lawn donuts.

It really is that simple and well known, it does not seem to beg the question in the first place.

We should learn from this and not be so quick to get the lynch mob going.

Scott

[cruzila]

We are very PROTECTIVE of what land we get to wheel on!  As the trails we love are disappearing before our eyes.  We want our fellow wheelers to do the RIGHT thing.  And obey all laws, so we don't give fuel for the fire.  We organize trail cleanup parties, help install pit toilets, and help raise funds to help fight, to keep public land open with the promise, that we will be stewards of the land and be roll models for those fellow wheelers around us.  All it takes is a couple bad apples to ruin it for the thousands of us that respect the trail, and love the trail.

So, make the right decision is all we ask!!

Quoted for truth

[Rocksurfer]

Very good point, but when posting something I choose my words very carefully to convey what it is that I'm talking about. Some words can be construed as a different meaning or action. I learned this a long time ago when I was making a comment on someone trying to climb a ledge and then landing on his lid. Jokingly I mentioned that he must have had a few too many, man that almost got my handed to me. It wasn't taken as a joke.

[iNfErNaL]

midgets with glowsticks 

Did somebody say MIDGETS ?   

[fordh8r]

Did somebody say MIDGETS ?  

[porkchop]

we are grown ups here and going to do what ever we want to do. so if you think going were you know not to be is cool  do not come on here gabbering about it. If you do get ready for the hell that will follow you is that simple enough?

[germ]

Didn't see the post/thread/shout that went with this topic, but from the sound of it, it appears that there was some discussion about wheeling on private land without permission. I can't comment on what was said or done, but I do want to point out that the enviro-nazi's will use ANYTHING they can, even if they take it out of context or have to massage it some to get it to fit their purpose. We unfortunately have to work twice as hard to protect what is already ours, and we are constantly threatened with loosing our public lands. I would ask everyone to choose their words carefully when discussing wheeling spots, 'cause even though we don't see them (lurking) I'd bet you dollars to donuts they are watching what we're doing here.

Erik

[Rocksurfer]

It was in the shout box.

[junya92toy]

Ok and I will say I was playing devils advocate at first, but I was being serious about what is required to close a area. Its more about knowing your rights. So if its CLOSED and you dont know that, and legally there needs to be a sign. You can use that in court if it goes that far. LIke if you get pulled over and refuse to allow the cops to search your car. YOu have that right and they can not bully you into it or tow you ride. I like to know my rights, so I can defend myself if a situation comes up.

Ok Im going to repeat myself, I stopped typing and thought about what I wanted to say.
First off, asking what is illegal or what it takes to legally close a area does not mean, or make me a crimminal. Or mean I want to do something illegal.
MY main point in asking was what if you take a back road, or legal trail into a close area. And someone says to you, this area is closed and you go to jail. But you tell them legally you need a sigh, gate, or whatever. So they say, ok we missed a road, you need to leave. Not ok it doesnt matter you are going to jail and getting a fine.
As a son of a police officer, Im very big on knowing my rights. Its a way to protect yourself.
I have know people who I dont, hunt with or wheel with, who have before hunting season puts their own lock on a gate, thus closing the area. THen during hunting season they unlock the gate. So That area is illegally closed. See my point?

[*FFC*]

If it doesn't say open then stay off the trail Plain and simple.  You are getting way more complicated than it really is. 

Part of your privileges when you get your drivers license, is knowing the laws of the road/off road.  If you don't know them and the sign is not there, that's YOUR fault, not the landowner's fault. 

Example: If I'm drivin down the road talkin on my cell phone with no hands free and get pulled over, I can claim ignorance but I'll still get my ticket. 

It's the SAME THING. You get your license, you can't play stupid anymore.

[junya92toy]

Yet another person who missed the point.

[*FFC*]

Yet another person who missed the point.

Your point doesn't make any sense If it's private property, it's private property.  Period.  I don't have to put up a sign on my land just to tell people to stay off.  If I have a fence up or a gate up (open or closed) they damn well better have permission before coming on to my land.  If this were Texas you'd get shot, sign or no sign

[RK]

The rule we tell all new comers to WATTORA, and what we see DNR telling us as well, is that land is presumed closed unless otherwise posted. Whether it'd be empty field or old trail. The way they see it, no sign necessary unless its open.

[junya92toy]

My point doesnt make sense that I want to know my rights about open and private land? If you dont know your rights about things and you fall to use them, they will get taken away.