Rears up front / F150 in the rear

[Doable]

Finally got the F-150 installed on the rear of the Toyota .   Used a set of BudBuilt spring hangers for the rear suspension. Had to drop the tank but I think all the work was worth it. Used some string with a nut tied to it( used as a plumb bob) and spraypainted a mark on the frame with the stock axle in place to keep the rear end centered. You can kind of see it in this picture.





The springs are from a 1993 Ford extended cab pickup truck 2wd. The front hanger was moves 4 1/2"





The rear hanges was moves back 5"




No more lift blocks 

[jimbo74]

what are your shocks mounted to? any pics of that?

[Hottrod81]

Your shackle angle looks good in the rear.

[Doable]

Don't know why I did not get a better picture of the truck but it is sitting level now factory shackles in the rear.

[jimbo74]

is it jsut me or does the wheel not look centered in the wheelwell? looks too far forward....

i can tell the fender was trimmed, but i think then, it even makes it look like its way too far forward

[Doable]

what are your shocks mounted to? any pics of that?

The factory set up has the passenger shock facing toward the rear of the truck .Then has the driverside shock facing forward. If you look at the passenger mount you will see it is a mount welded to the frame. So I went to the Toyota dearliship and bought a passenger side upper  shock mount and put it on the driverside frame of my truck. (There is allready a hole on the driverside frame to accept the mount) I then welded it to the frame and mounted the shocks to it to have them facing the same way.

[jimbo74]

ah ok..... yeah, i knew how the factory did it... one forward one back, thats why i wondered how you did both that way... why did you mount them behind instead of both forward?

are you exhibiting any adverse wheelhop from doing it both from behind?

[jrock]

So, how do they ride?
Why did you not run them backwards?

[Doable]

Factory passenger shock mount welded on driverside frame






Sitting level with a mix match pack of rear springs up front and F-150 in the rear

[Doable]

  Posted by: jkief86   "So, how do they ride?
Why did you not run them backwards?"

They ride nice I'm glad I left the factory overload in them to help with axle wrap.

Run them backwards?  Did not think of changinging the way they came off the donor truck.


   jimbo74 "are you exhibiting any adverse wheelhop from doing it both from behind?"

Not that I noticed but I'm not a heavy right foot driver. We'll see as time goes if I have trouble with it.

[jrock]

Pretty nice. What lenth shocks, F/R?

[YotaJosh]

Looks good! I think they work even better with a longer shackle.

Running them backwards was suggested to me, but only since it was a popular thing to do with the 63" Chevy springs. Running the F150's backwards will mess up the pinion angle, unless you redo the perches. Plus they really don't add that much of an overhang, front or rear.

[jrock]

What has to be done with the perches?

[jimbo74]

What has to be done with the perches?

rotate them

[jrock]

Shims?

[jimbo74]

Shims?

if you wnated to.... a shim can act liek a block though and get spit out... i dont trust shims... shims are a bandaid to incorrect perches

[jrock]

But without welding skill its all some of us have. Speaking of bandaids, what about 6 washers as a bed lift?

[jimbo74]

But without welding skill its all some of us have.

tehre is a solution to that..... take a community college welding class, or make soem friends that can weld

[jimbo74]

But without welding skill its all some of us have. Speaking of bandaids, what about 6 washers as a bed lift?

what about it? my bed is useless as a bed espeically with a toolbox in it.... it basically keeps my wallet from getting stolen when its not in my pocket.....

also, im not worried about the bed falling off, that wont leave me stranded somewhere...... its not a block getting spit out and snapping the springs.....

[jrock]

One day. Well back to my 1st question, what shock length you use Doable?

[kneedownnate]

Sitting level with a mix match pack of rear springs up front and F-150 in the rear

Sweet!  I hafta ask since I'll be running the same rears, what is the mix you used in the front? 

[Hottrod81]

Sweet!  I hafta ask since I'll be running the same rears, what is the mix you used in the front? 

I think the mixed pack is in the rear

[kneedownnate]

Sitting level with a mix match pack of rear springs up front

[Jordan7118]

Looks good, Albert!

As one who's running F150s backwards, I don't really think that my pinion angle is all jacked up. It's doing fine. Sure, I could rotate it up a little, and I might do that later.

Pinion shims - they're not the same thing as a block. They're usually less than 3/4" in max height, where as blocks are usually 2, 3, 4 or more inches thick. If you're scared of them being spit out, weld them to the axle perches. Don't get aluminum, as I've cracked some 10 degree shims before. And what's so hard about cutting and rotating axle perches? If you're doing this mod, you're going to have to cut and weld stuff anyways. This isn't a bolt on mod, so quit getting stuck on cutting and welding a little more.

As far as overhang, there's a pretty big difference in length from eye to center and center to other eye. It's pretty obvious in Doable's pics. One length is 32" (same as Chebby's) and the other is about 25" giving an overall length on the arc of 57".

I moved my front spring hanger 11.5" forward eye-to-eye for the long side forward, so they'll act more as a ramp and hopefully slide over stuff. We'll see...

Sorry for jacking your thread, Albert. Looking forward to seeing you in Hot Springs in about a month!

[jrock]

So what shocks are you running?

[All_Set]

Shackle length:  Are you concerned that the length is too short?  Looking at the photos, it'd seem that the shackle will limit flex before the spring maxes out. 

Please flex it out and report back with pictures!!   

[Doable]

The front / rear shocks are Doetsch 8000 PreRunner shocks.
The front are part #(8333) 15.5" collapsed 26.5" extended. The rear are part#(8250) 13.5" collapsed 22.5" extended. These shocks were left over from my last build and Since I had them i used them and spent money on other things.

The front suspension is a set of stock rear springs with two extra leafs from  1 1/2" lifted YJ springs I had left over from my last build cut to fit behind the factory clamp.

The spring perches on the rear axle are stock I did not have to cut and rotate them with the Ford spring. The MAIN reason I did this was to get rid of the lift blocks and keep the truck as low as possible. It still turned out taller than I care for.Do not feel any vibration from the pinion angle (BUT) I'm running hard and flat 34" LBT's on the truck for now.

The rear shackles may hurt my flex but I'm locked rear and front . IMHO I think that will get me further on the trail than flex.Plus for the 1st time the truck is sitting level.

[jrock]

Thanks for the info.

[Bs85]

heres a picture of mine with the same spring combo but with 2 inch longer shackles...

[H8PVMNT]

  Posted by: jkief86   "So, how do they ride?
Why did you not run them backwards?"

They ride nice I'm glad I left the factory overload in them to help with axle wrap.

Run them backwards?  Did not think of changinging the way they came off the donor truck.


   jimbo74 "are you exhibiting any adverse wheelhop from doing it both from behind?"

Not that I noticed but I'm not a heavy right foot driver. We'll see as time goes if I have trouble with it.

I've always noticed less wheelhop using 2 gas charged shocks mounted to the rear.  It's not the wind up that makes the hop, it's the kicking back when everthing lets go.  If you think about it like that 2 to the rear of the axle damps the "letting go" of the axle wrap better.