Front lockrite and no power steering!!!

Started by Hilux92, July 21, 2008, 11:19:42 AM

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Hilux92

July 21, 2008, 11:19:42 AM
I am thinking of powersteering upgrade or a front Lockrite. I am ruuing 33 BFG muds on a 85 pickup wint 4.7 low. I only have cash for either one. Question is, how difficult will my steering be on rock with the locker installed? Will it be kind of ok to still turn???

jonathan82toy

#1
July 21, 2008, 11:54:38 AM
Do you have a rear locker?  I would get PS or a rear locker before a front.   :turtle:
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#2
July 21, 2008, 11:54:53 AM
It will be difficult on high traction surfaces like rock.
84 4Runner
Swapped EFI and a rebuilt 22RE
Marlin Dual Ultimate crawler
Marlin high steer
TG springs
5.29's, Aussie locked front and rear
39.5" Iroks on 15x10 2.5" backspaced wheels
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blackdiamond

#3
July 21, 2008, 11:55:44 AM
If you opt for a front locker, get an Aussie instead of the LockRight.  There are a variety of reasons, but in this case the softer spring design allows it to unlock easier for turning but locks when necessary.  Mine is fairly friendly most of the time but on occasion gets difficult to turn with.

If you wheel on the rocks I wouldn't put a front locker in without power steering, but if you're mostly on the dirt you might be ok with an Aussie.  I've never been without power steering so I don't really know.  
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#4
July 21, 2008, 02:48:13 PM
I've wheeled without PS for a couple of years.  It gets old after a couple of minutes.  The steering wheel basically does what it wants to do, you just control the gas and gears  :greengrin:  That and keep your fingers out of the steering wheel.  You will get them broke if they are caught in there while the wheel turns 1000mph on it's own.
84 4Runner
Swapped EFI and a rebuilt 22RE
Marlin Dual Ultimate crawler
Marlin high steer
TG springs
5.29's, Aussie locked front and rear
39.5" Iroks on 15x10 2.5" backspaced wheels
109" wheelbase
Addicted Off Road 8 point cage
Addicted Off Road front bumper

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porkchop

#5
July 21, 2008, 03:37:21 PM
it sucks to lock front with  no power steering I put a aussie in front with no power steering BAD IDEA no I am going full hydro!
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Hilux92

#6
July 21, 2008, 09:46:53 PM
I managed to source a electric locker for the front. whooo hoooo!

jimbo74

#7
July 21, 2008, 09:49:48 PM
power steering... without it, and havign a front locker your truck will have forward and reverse... turning wont be an option
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#8
July 21, 2008, 11:19:18 PM
:dunno: its harder to steer, but not impossible.  I've wheeled several times w/o powersteering, and it hasn't been that bad, esp. since you're only turning 33"s
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solar86yota

#9
July 21, 2008, 11:59:58 PM
Hey  ran with out power steering once when my p/s belt came off! It sucks!!! I would get a p/s box first! Then a rear locker(Aussie!!)
By the time I get the money for an SAS I'll be 65 at this rate!

Hilux92

#10
July 22, 2008, 01:45:01 AM
I have an ausie in the rear. Has anyone done a manula conversion to the elocker. Like a home made conversion. I am not a electric fan.

BLACKDOG

#11
July 22, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: Hilux92 on July 22, 2008, 01:45:01 AM
I have an ausie in the rear. Has anyone done a manula conversion to the elocker. Like a home made conversion. I am not a electric fan.

Downey has them :thumbs:

http://www.downeyoff-road.com/ChassisComponents/Lockers.html


there's a cable conversion, and a simple lever conversion, which requires you to get out of the truck to activate it
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

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Rocksurfer

#12
July 22, 2008, 04:37:49 PM
From experience it sucks even without a locker, not that it is impossible but wheeling without ps you have to be ready for the steering wheel to be yanked out of your hands or suffer a sprained wrist or broken thumb. I could imagine how much worse this could be with a locker. I installed ps in my truck just last week due to suffering a sprain from my last run. I have all the info needed to do the swap it isn't that difficult.
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porkchop

#13
July 22, 2008, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: BLACKDOG on July 21, 2008, 11:19:18 PM:dunno: its harder to steer, but not impossible.  I've wheeled several times w/o powersteering, and it hasn't been that bad, esp. since you're only turning 33"s
BS it sucks 
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BLACKDOG

#14
July 22, 2008, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: porkchop on July 22, 2008, 05:47:38 PM
BS it sucks 

Never stopped me from wheeling :dunno:  35"s and a lockrite. 
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

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slabcs

#15
July 22, 2008, 07:13:09 PM
Quote from: BLACKDOG on July 22, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
Downey has them :thumbs:

http://www.downeyoff-road.com/ChassisComponents/Lockers.html


there's a cable conversion, and a simple lever conversion, which requires you to get out of the truck to activate it

Very bad.  I bought two of the cable kits.  This was before they realized they don't work on the front, so we had to make our own version of the push/pull things for the front.  It was awful.  I just ended up ordering a new e-locker motor from Toyota after messing with it.
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BLACKDOG

#16
July 22, 2008, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: slabcs on July 22, 2008, 07:13:09 PM
Very bad.  I bought two of the cable kits.  This was before they realized they don't work on the front, so we had to make our own version of the push/pull things for the front.  It was awful.  I just ended up ordering a new e-locker motor from Toyota after messing with it.

really?  Hadn't heard that.  Good to know, seeing as I've got an elocker I was gonna put up front as well :yesnod:  Guess I'll start looking more into keeping it electric.
:usa: Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees :usa:

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. "

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Hilux92

#17
July 30, 2008, 09:13:20 PM
I installed the lokrite and sold the E-locker at the last minute. When I installed the lokrite I only used one spring in each pin slot. The locker feels alot lighter in the front without the power steering. Its actually not that bad. But I will be installing Power steering though.. soooon very soon.
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