Topic: shackles

[yotasrockontherock]

im puting my new shackles on right now but the bottom bolts on the old shackels wont budge any advice???

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

could it be that when the frame was painted the paint fused to the bushing and thats why i cant get it off?

[84runner]

PUt the nut on a little bit a woop it  :.order: then use a puch and  :.order: it some more

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

still aint working got any other ideas

[kyle_22r]

soak it in pb blaster for a bit

if that doesn't help, use as long of a piece of steel pipe as practical, and put it on your ratchet as a cheater bar

if that still doesn't work, time for the 

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

ok the top and bottom of both sides or still on but the plate is off the top bolt will move but the bottom wont at all

[Jared]

put the nut back on then hit it with a punch and a BFH!!!

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

its all good now there off and the new ones are on  the bolt was like rusted to the bushing and i had to chissel all that out and it finnaly started to move and it was awesome lol then for the left side i had to unbolt and take off the tailpipe hanger no bigie but on to the fronts now

[yotaboy79]

make shure to use a wedge to fix the caster after your done

[BigMike]

Hey rock rock,

Next time something like that happens again, spray some penetrating spray on it so that the fluid runs down and soaks into the threads.

Also, if you've got something small that's stuck that is moveable (eg. not stuck on the rig) then fire up your backyard bbq and let it warm up for 5 - 10 mins and then use some hot gloves and unscrew/unbolt it while it is hot. Works every time.

My friend had a motorcycle cylinder stud bolt freeze up and we through it in the barbie for 5 min, and it just threaded right outta there

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

now the front shackles are doing the same thing but there is no gunk between the shackle bolts and the bushings and it sucks i just want them to come off easy then on the drivers side the exuast is in the way of the top bolt and on the passengers side the driveshaft is in the way so i cant hammer it so ill prob have to drop the drive shaft i might be able to get around the exaust but im not sure then on the cold start injector i was unbolting that today and the bolt broke in there so now ill have to drill that out and re tap it and then  also today i tired to put my brohters radio in there from his 89 runner but the plugs are all diffrent so that didnt work

[yotaboy79]

sounds like your having gobs of fun

[Bazzi]

patiens don´t make it harder than it has to be.   

Don´t make you self belive that this is hard just deal with it with patiense

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

i know its just trieing after awhile all that laying down on the ground  :.order: the flopp out of it so it will come off and it dosent move but im gonna get my rest and try my luck at it tomorrow

[WHITE_TRASH]

Ive had those same issues before, listen to Bazzi take your time and watch your fingers and it will come off.  I was trying to put a lift kit on my 84 years ago and the rear spring bolt was frozen to the bushing so I gave up.  When I was changing the suspension again last year I ended up cutting the outer half off of the frame mount.  It didnt bothere me to do that beings I wasnt gonna use it anyway but after I got the spring on the ground the bolt simply slid out.   Just use a GOOD penetrating oil like Kroil etc. and it will come.

[yotaboy79]

yeah just bepaitient, take your time, and if you get stumped try not to get frustrated and start throwing hammers acrost the shop like me you will be replacing less windows and getting yelled at less, if you get over welmed then take  a brake and dont even think about what you where doing for a wile then go back to it

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

yeah ive been spraying it with thise lquid wrench stuff that i got and ill try again tomorrow after 4 wheel with my brother

[84runner]

You need to get someone over there to help you and let them give it a shot 

[Brian83]

Definitely go get a can of Aero-Kroil. It's expensive, like 9 bucks a can, but it works like no other product I've ever used. or if you want to make your own penetrating oil, use an old spray bottle and mix one half ATF with one half Kerosene

[BigMike]

This is probabely a silly question, but Is your suspension loaded and that's the problem? I know you've got the truck jacked up, and make sure you've got a jack under the diff and you've applied some pressure up on the suspension so its the weight of the axle is not hanging on the springs which is putting pressure on the shackels. Also, your frame could be bent ? or your springs could be warped or something.. If the truck was in a serious accident b4 you bought it, it could have messed up the geometry...

BigMike

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

ok ill try to find some and the truck was never in any accendents and i jacked it up so there was there inches under the tire then put jack stands behind the shackles and then thing im not sure is if you lower the axle down once that is or leave it up ive tired both ways and it dosent seem to help. tomorrow i got my buddy coming over ill see if he cant knock it loose but we arnt gonna work on my truck to long mostly his cuz were gonna but shackles on the rear of his nissan hard body truck so i hope it will budge

[WHITE_TRASH]

You just answered your own question, well kinda.  You said that you had tried to get the bolts out with the axle t droop and with upward tension on it.  You need to make sure that the spring is basically at rest.  To get it there you'll need to put the frame on a jackstand and support the axle with a jack.  When you have the spring at rest the shackle plate will go on and off easily from the shackle bolts.  So I dont think that stuck bolts are the only issue your having. 

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

but how do i know when it is at rest?

[yotaboy79]

when its snoring  just kidding its hard to tell you just kinda gotta fidle with it till it seams like theres no tention pushing the spring up or pulling it down

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

damn sweet spots got any other tips on fiding it like spring arched up down or flat anything of that sort and dose anyone know if the cold start injector is the same on a v6 as the i4?

[WHITE_TRASH]

When the spring is at rest the shackle olate will move freely on the bolts because there is no pressure pulling the bolts apart or pushing the together.

[BigMike]

Those cold start injectors probably have different plugs. You can always change the plugs, but also check to see if the spray directions are the same. They are most likely also the same bolt pattern with 10mm bolts.

If you could imagine what leaf springs look like when they are off the truck sitting on the ground, then that's the arc they need to have. It will definitely be arched up (concave up) unless they are worn to out and have been to hell and back.

Try this: Jack the truck up from just to the right of the differential (which would be as close to the center of the axle as possible) and place some tall jack stands under each frame rail a couple of inches behind each front shackle. Let the jack all the way down, and then start jacking it right back up in the same location. Once the jack touches the axle, just apply enough pressure to when you see it barely move. Then try to wiggle the shackle or shackle bolts. If they still feel tight and snug, then go up about 1/2" increments on the jack and keep checking the bolt.

The sweat spot will be where the suspension is not loaded nor supporting the weight of the axle.

Regards,
BigMike

[yotasrockontherock [OP]]

ok thanks bigmike ill go for that tomorrow cuz ill have 6 hours of free time to do so before i gotta go to work. luckly i casnt drive it yet so i can take my time but the deadline is monday which will be more than enough time so today i help my buddy put shackles on his 1990 nissan hard body truck so we went and got the shackles and they are toyota shackles the same as mine and everything measurse up the same so since my truck was taking up the garage so we pulled his truck up by the garage were we ussal change oil and its a nice flat dirt spot and we got it all jacked up tires off and such got the first part of the shackle off and then it on the drivers side the top bolt wouldnt move and on the passengers side the bottom bolt wouldnt move and i was like ahhhh not again so we sat there spraying penatrating oil on it trying to get it to come loose and my phone rang and it was work and there like we need you to be here an hour eairly and by that time i would only have an hour to get it all together so we worked on it for that long still couldnt get it off but we got the passengers side out like an inch and i called my work and was like yeah my rides truck isnt working its gonna be anthor hour till i can get in so we tired for anthor 30mins with no luck and i was like ah we gotta put the all the old back on so i banged it all back and looked at the bolts and they were all banged up cuz i wasnt watching him to make sure he had used a nut to bang on it and i was like aahhhh and i got the cut off wheel and had to cut the rounded off part off so i got all that done and i put on the passengers side tire and was cranking it down with the impact wrench and i was cranking my last lug nut when i felt the truck move and it was beacuse we had to use the shity stock bottle jacks off his truck and mine and since it was on the dirt it like dug in to the dirt and made the truck fall onto the drum and it was like 5 minutes before i had to be at work and i was like so i had to go get the bottle jack off my dads runner and crank it up and i just dont think shackles like me cuz 2out of the 3 trucks ive put them on pregnant dog and kick there feet all the way and it sucks but hopefully tomorrow i can get the front shackles done with and out of the way  

[BigMike]

I think that was all one sentence


Good luck with it!

[WHITE_TRASH]

I thought in order to count as a sentence there had to be some sort of punctuation?  Not one capital letter, comma, or period.  But the spelling isnt too bad.