Author Topic: Front Axle Widening (Read 9844 times)

chance85 · « **on:** Dec 06, 2007, 10:43:36 AM »

I'm looking tor an IFS hub conversion kit spacer. I would like to find a used sky kit or just a 5/8" wheel spacer to do this. i can't seem to find a wheel spacer of that size. I personally don't think the sky kit is worth 200 bucks. If anyone isn't using some spacers i'd like to deal.
Thanks
Chance

Rockcrawlintoy · « **Reply #1 on:** Dec 06, 2007, 12:04:51 PM »

why not have a machine shop make some for ya

OOPS · « **Reply #2 on:** Dec 06, 2007, 05:18:02 PM »

What are you going to do with a 5/8's spacer? The spacers in Sky's kit are 1.268" and they have to be held to a pretty tight tolerance.

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I personally don't think the sky kit is worth 200 bucks.

I tell you what, get a working drawing and take it to a machine shop. See what they will charge you to supply the material and cut them. Then go price the hardware to mount them up. Please post the results. Unless you have someone that will cut them for you expect to pay at least $100.00 an hour if not more at a machine shop. Do not forget you also have to factor in a profit, packageing, warehousing, if he is cutting them in-house machines and consumables, insurance for the shop, and employee costs.

boggerunner · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 19, 2008, 10:28:33 PM »

the sky's kit uses fj40 rotors, i use a 5/8s spacer to use all the ifs stuff and ive done it on 3 rigs and it works great

Yeagley · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 20, 2008, 12:50:54 AM »

I've run the sky kit for a few years and think its worth every penny. Where did you get the 5/8s spacer the other 3 times?

boggerunner · « **Reply #5 on:** Jan 20, 2008, 01:40:48 AM »

a friend who works for a local tire shop

LOL @ IFS · « **Reply #6 on:** Jan 20, 2008, 05:33:41 AM »

Quote from: OOPS on Dec 06, 2007, 05:18:02 PM

What are you going to do with a 5/8's spacer? The spacers in Sky's kit are 1.268" and they have to be held to a pretty tight tolerance.

I tell you what, get a working drawing and take it to a machine shop. See what they will charge you to supply the material and cut them. Then go price the hardware to mount them up. Please post the results. Unless you have someone that will cut them for you expect to pay at least $100.00 an hour if not more at a machine shop. Do not forget you also have to factor in a profit, packageing, warehousing, if he is cutting them in-house machines and consumables, insurance for the shop, and employee costs.

There's places on Ebay that will do custom spacers for $75/ axle. I've used them on race cars, and they work quite well, so the quality is there.

OOPS · « **Reply #7 on:** Jan 20, 2008, 12:52:28 PM »

Quote from: LOL @ IFS on Jan 20, 2008, 05:33:41 AM

There's places on Ebay that will do custom spacers for $75/ axle. I've used them on race cars, and they work quite well, so the quality is there.

Most of the time there is an exception to everything. I am talking about the average Joe walking into the machine shop in his town.

jtaco1 · « **Reply #8 on:** Jan 21, 2008, 01:08:38 PM »

Why not just mount the caliper on the other sider of the knuckle ear, tap the caliper to 1/2" fine and run the IFS stuff. There is info over on Pirate about it. i plan on doing this when I go to swap.

jarboarder1 · « **Reply #9 on:** Jan 21, 2008, 04:06:16 PM »

Just a question when doing this sky widening kit.
Do you have to have the Ifs hubs that use the manual locking hub, or will the ones with the auto locking hubs work also?

just wondering because im going to be doing a SAS soon and would like to use skys widening kit but my ifs hubs are automatic.

sorry for any distractions to the original post

Gittinit · « **Reply #10 on:** Jan 21, 2008, 05:29:45 PM »

Quote from: jarboarder1 on Jan 21, 2008, 04:06:16 PM

Just a question when doing this sky widening kit.
Do you have to have the Ifs hubs that use the manual locking hub, or will the ones with the auto locking hubs work also?

just wondering because im going to be doing a SAS soon and would like to use skys widening kit but my ifs hubs are automatic.

sorry for any distractions to the original post

If your going to use the wheel hubs from an ifs toy, what should it matter if the lockouts are manual or auto? Your gonna need the corresponding solid axle lockout hubs, for the spline count to be appropriate for your birfields. The ifs lockouts may work but you will need to get some 30 spline hub gears for them from Bobby Long @ toyotasuperaxles.com .

jarboarder1 · « **Reply #11 on:** Jan 22, 2008, 10:36:47 AM »

Quote from: Gittinit on Jan 21, 2008, 05:29:45 PM

If your going to use the wheel hubs from an ifs toy, what should it matter if the lockouts are manual or auto? Your gonna need the corresponding solid axle lockout hubs, for the spline count to be appropriate for your birfields. The ifs lockouts may work but you will need to get some 30 spline hub gears for them from Bobby Long @ toyotasuperaxles.com .

I realize i would use the lockouts from the solid axle I guess my question should have been, Do the solid axle lockouts bolt on to the ifs hubs that have the auto lockouts?

Gittinit · « **Reply #12 on:** Jan 22, 2008, 04:35:01 PM »

Quote from: jarboarder1 on Jan 22, 2008, 10:36:47 AM

I realize i would use the lockouts from the solid axle I guess my question should have been, Do the solid axle lockouts bolt on to the ifs hubs that have the auto lockouts?

The wheel hubs should be the same whether they origonally had manual, or auto lockouts bolted to them. You should be ok with what you have.

jedrattle · « **Reply #13 on:** Jan 23, 2008, 05:36:26 PM »

Here is my Sky kit installed.

Worth every penny!!!

boggerunner · « **Reply #14 on:** Jan 23, 2008, 05:54:04 PM »

here is a pic of my widening kit, cost me $50

Gittinit · « **Reply #15 on:** Jan 24, 2008, 07:03:54 AM »

Quote from: boggerunner on Jan 23, 2008, 05:54:04 PM

here is a pic of my widening kit, cost me $50

Were you able to reuse the stock wheel studs?

boggerunner · « **Reply #16 on:** Jan 24, 2008, 03:43:31 PM »

yep, i used all the ifs parts just added a spacer between the rotor and hub body

Jordan7118 · « **Reply #17 on:** Jan 27, 2008, 01:59:28 AM »

Awesome, will you go into more detail on this? You just use a 5/8" spacer between rotor and hub? No longer wheel studs? I'm very interested. Thanks!

jimbo74 · « **Reply #18 on:** Jan 27, 2008, 05:31:08 AM »

Toyota Solid Axle Widening Kit.

What is a Widening Kit?

What this spacer does is allow you to run IFS wheel hubs on a strait axle front end. IFS wheel hubs wheel flanges are offset further to allow the front ends of these trucks to match up to the rear, which is 58 inch's wide. A pair of these CNC machined spacers is needed to adapt either your current solid axle rotors and calipers, or the upgraded IFS V6 calipers and FJ-40 or FJ-60 series vented rotors. We supply all needed hardware to bolt this spacer to the rotor. This can be done in your garage, no special equipment needed. Average install time with correct tools and parts is 2.5 hours.

http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/sky_instructions.htm

From this:

To this:

Part # TOY-FWS-001
Price - 200.00 Pr SPECIAL!

http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/axle_differential.htm

boggerunner · « **Reply #19 on:** Jan 27, 2008, 07:43:19 AM »

Quote from: Jordan7118 on Jan 27, 2008, 01:59:28 AM

Awesome, will you go into more detail on this? You just use a 5/8" spacer between rotor and hub? No longer wheel studs? I'm very interested. Thanks!

yep the stock ifs studs are used, it helps if u recently did dual tcases, since the 14mm bolts left over are used to bolt the brake disc to the hub body with the aluminum spacer in between. u will need to drill new holes in the aluminum spacer, but just use the disc as a pattern. all the ifs bearings and nuts with the lock will work too.

Jordan7118 · « **Reply #20 on:** Jan 27, 2008, 07:55:23 PM »

So you must use the IFS rotors, right? I've got the FJ rotors, but they've not been ran yet and I'm thinking I might want to sell them and do this. Kinda neat! Thanks for the help!

jarboarder1 · « **Reply #21 on:** Jan 28, 2008, 10:45:00 AM »

I was under the impression that you could not use the ifs rotors. Sky off road and most other people I talk to say that you have to run the FJ vented rotors. I dont know why this is but most people use FJ rotors.

jimbo74 · « **Reply #22 on:** Jan 28, 2008, 10:48:20 AM »

read this thread:

http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=31758

DieselD · « **Reply #23 on:** Jan 28, 2008, 12:29:09 PM »

sky is the way to go over typical wheel spacers. all sky is doing is moving the rotor location to fit the solid axle. there is really no load on them unlike a wheel spacer hanging on the studs

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #24 on:** Dec 20, 2008, 11:08:28 AM »

Quote from: boggerunner on Jan 27, 2008, 07:43:19 AM

yep the stock ifs studs are used, it helps if u recently did dual tcases, since the 14mm bolts left over are used to bolt the brake disc to the hub body with the aluminum spacer in between. u will need to drill new holes in the aluminum spacer, but just use the disc as a pattern. all the ifs bearings and nuts with the lock will work too.

i need a pair of these spacers , where did you get them??

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #25 on:** Dec 21, 2008, 12:28:46 PM »

Why waste the money on the stuff from sky and get sub par brakes out of the deal? People are worried about the way I did my fronts. Yet those same people are worried about breaking wheels spacers yet they'll put them on to hold the rotor...

THIS is what i did several years ago. I am DWT on PBB btw.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #26 on:** Dec 23, 2008, 09:57:23 PM »

i checked with a local machine shop, they will make the 5/8ths spacer to my specs for $60 a side out of STEEL

boggerunner · « **Reply #27 on:** Dec 23, 2008, 09:59:32 PM »

steel? stronger, but if they are even a bit out of balance after u bolt them in, it will vibrate like a washing machine.

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #28 on:** Dec 23, 2008, 10:03:08 PM »

Quote from: 79coyotefrg on Dec 23, 2008, 09:57:23 PM

i checked with a local machine shop, they will make the 5/8ths spacer to my specs for $60 a side out of STEEL

I bolted stuff together that most people throw away for free.....

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #29 on:** Dec 23, 2008, 11:01:09 PM »

isnt the bearing load going to be the same whether or not you use the IFS method or the regular wheel spacers??? along with back spaced wheels?

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