Topic: Chevy 383 swap????

[lowandwide21]

i need to know how difficult and what it would take to put a chevy 383 stroker in my toy. i would also like to put in a chevy tanny and transfer. but what type of tranny/tranfer combo would be best? i also need to know what it would take to slide some 1 ton Dana 60s underneath it
thanks for the help

[topar]

I run a 350, Turbo 400 and Danna 300, Toyota axles.  I made my own mounts and used block hugger headers MC 5" trail lift, 3" body lift and firewall modifications with a big hammer.  Not to hard.

[CTENG in KS]

If I wanted all that I would prob just go buy a std cab 1 ton chevy with a d60 front end, ditch the body and build a tube buggy off the chassis.  Would be much faster and cheaper.  You could skin it with toy panels if that is the look you wanted.

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

well i want to do all of this to it because i want more power and torque with the motor, the toyota tranny wont withstand it for long, and i want the dana 60s cause they are stronger and wider. plus i like the small size of the toyota

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

Instead of putting a v8 under the hood, would it be better just to upgrade my 22R?

[CTENG in KS]

depends on what type of power you want.  10-20 more horses you can prob upgrade to...100 more you are talking big money to get a 22r there.

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

im not really looking for a lot more power, but more torque. are there any fancy little tuning tweaks i can pull without spending big cash?

[CTENG in KS]

Well, one of the things that really holds back the 22r motors is the stock computer.  If you decide you are gonna stay with the toy engine, werd is that a stand alone managment system can tune and free up a good amount of power.  These things are pricey though.  LCEngineering has a system, goes for bout $800.  I think there is a guy who is setting up MegaSquirt systems to plug into the toy computer too...would have to look into that more.

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

the only computer my toy has is the stock emissions control unit. thats only in there still because the stock carbeurator does not run at all without it. its an 83 toy by the way

[CTENG in KS]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=429179&highlight=mega

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

thanks for the link, but will it work on a carbeurated system?

[CTENG in KS]

You would have to switch over to FI.

Have you rebuilt the carb?  If not that will make a big difference.

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

actually, i just rebuilt it last week. i was just looking over lc engineerings site and came across a belt driven supercharger kit that comes with 38 weber carb but it is 2700 bucks. would that give me the power and torque gains i am looking for?

[CTENG in KS]

For that kinda cash I would say swap in a 2.7L Tacoma engine...axe BigMike about that.  Other engines like a 4.3 chevy are great swaps because you can get some extra paower without adding all the drivetrain weight of a v8 swap, plus the toy running gear with longfields can hold up to the torque and larger tires.

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

thats not a bad idea. that 3rz four cylinder is pretty peppy and that is what Marlin has in his beautiful red beast

[alwayzbroken]

It doesn't sound like you are ready for this judging by the questions you are asking.

[DTB]

why does everyone want to put a v8 in their yota? isnt gearing more important? dual cases or diff gearing? maybe u guys know something i dont

[dirtchicken]

The only thing a V8 is good for is breaking . You don't need a big motor is you have the gearing.

[Rockcrawlintoy]

unless you are wheelin in mud

Drew

[brainlessfool]

It doesn't sound like you are ready for this judging by the questions you are asking.

X2

[alwayzbroken]

The only thing a V8 is good for is breaking . You don't need a big motor is you have the gearing.

V8s rule for wet ground, mud, and steep hills. Gearing won't help you on steep muddy hills or obastacles that require momentum. If you have gearing and horsepower you will be in good shape, but gearing is far more important for 90% of the things you will come across. In the midwest a combination of horsepower and gearing is necessary due to the ever changing conditions of the trails from the weather. A trail could be dry and crawlable one day, then wet and sloppy and only passable with the go pedal the next day.

[Gittinit]

V8s rule for wet ground, mud, and steep hills. Gearing won't help you on steep muddy hills or obastacles that require momentum. If you have gearing and horsepower you will be in good shape, but gearing is far more important for 90% of the things you will come across. In the midwest a combination of horsepower and gearing is necessary due to the ever changing conditions of the trails from the weather. A trail could be dry and crawlable one day, then wet and sloppy and only passable with the go pedal the next day.

I agree completely, a high revving motor and higher gearing have there place in this sport too although most people don't recognize the need for it. Most of the terrain I wheel requires some tire spin to get through that looser top layer before digging in and hooking up to pull over those otherwise impossible climbs. The cool thing about dual case is it give you the option to crawl or throttle over different obistacles.

[Nothingface5384]

Other engines like a 4.3 chevy are great swaps because you can get some extra paower without adding all the drivetrain weight of a v8 swap, tires.

a chevy 4.3 has the weight of a v8...weighs the same as my buick 350(450lbs)...10 lbs lighter then a ford 302(460lbs)..
that and the distributor in the back makes that swap crappy in my eyes and i'm sure in others...but i'd agree and go with the toy 2.7

a chevy 350 weighs in at 575(65lbs shy of a buick 455)...crazy ...chevys are just heavy motors in general...and have softer casting metal compared to buick and toyota(lots of nickle content)

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

thanks for the advice

[Nothingface5384]

not trying to sway your way from a v8 swap...just saying if your thinking about a chevy driveline, you'd might as well go with a 302 swap, or some other v6/v8 as you;d get comparable power with less weight..

a lexus 4.0 sounds cool, dont think they weigh over 450 either...and its more of a hp motor then a torque motor..they might acutally have a kit for it now..just something to think about..
http://www.uzswap.com/forum/index.php?topic=7.0

[alwayzbroken]

not trying to sway your way from a v8 swap...just saying if your thinking about a chevy driveline, you'd might as well go with a 302 swap, or some other v6/v8 as you;d get comparable power with less weight..

a lexus 4.0 sounds cool, dont think they weigh over 450 either...and its more of a hp motor then a torque motor..they might acutally have a kit for it now..just something to think about..
http://www.uzswap.com/forum/index.php?topic=7.0

I talked to a guy recently that had a lexus motor and he hated it. He said they have very little torque like you mentioned but he also said the powerband is pretty narrow and the driveability was poor. He put in a 347 Ford Stroker now.

[alwayzbroken]

How much does a Vortec 5300 weigh? That would be a really cool swap if they aren't too heavy.

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

How much does a Vortec 5300 weigh? That would be a really cool swap if they aren't too heavy.

i dont think the chevy 5300 would be all that heavy. the new ones are all aluminum

[Nothingface5384]

yea if theyre all al...they should be around 320 or so..as i beleive thats how much an ls1 weighs.

[lowandwide21 [OP]]

my grandfather has an 05 chevy 1500. it has the vortec 5300. all aluminum with electric fans. makes a very nice 310 hp. i cant keep my foot out of it!