Author Topic: this cant be right(shackle angle) (Read 5694 times)

havik · « **on:** Apr 08, 2007, 08:57:23 PM »

this cant be right.
today we got the front axle on but my shackle angle is way off. i understand the springs will settle but they cant settle 4". i will be suprised if they will even hit 90*
from the center of the shackle to the hanger measures 44.75" is that to far?
for a second i thaught we welded the spring hanger on backwards.

my heart stoped and i got all light headed. panic
iam wondering if when i ordered the springs from allpro they sent me the stock length ones by mistake.

DTB · « **Reply #1 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 08:58:33 PM »

is that with the wieght of the vehcile on the truck? if so then you need to move your front spring hangar BACK

havik · « **Reply #2 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:00:47 PM »

another look at the angle

it looks like its a 10" lift not 4"
WTF

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #3 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:01:20 PM »

looks like stock length springs, but did you install a new front hanger ??

crawlerdan · « **Reply #4 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:01:31 PM »

springs on backwards?

havik · « **Reply #5 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:02:48 PM »

yep
one its weight and with the marlin hanger. long side to the front

havik · « **Reply #6 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:03:48 PM »

mil wrap to the front right

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #7 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:04:43 PM »

dude, put the wheels on and put the full weight of the truck on the springs, BUTT it looks like the front hanger is too far forward

havik · « **Reply #8 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:07:39 PM »

i really hope not. that hanger is welded on there pretty heavy duty. if so leason learned. spot first then check then weld it up like there's no tomorrow.
the plan is to keep going and put the tires on and drive it for a day or so and hope that it at least settles to 90*
the hanger is almost flush. not even a .25" forward. $:-\$

havik · « **Reply #9 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:09:27 PM »

iam going to check my recipt and see if there is any info
wait i dont think i ever got a paper recipt. only the online one.

imna look.
also dont it look way to high?

Ramrod · « **Reply #10 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:21:51 PM »

the spring hanger bolt should sit directly under the body mount bolt

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #11 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:23:34 PM »

just need bigger tires

havik · « **Reply #12 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:24:05 PM »

WEAK
i dont have a recipt for the springs. dealing with marlin crawler makes me hate dealing with other companys. check it out. when all pro sent me my springs they were just laying at my door step. no wrapping, tape cardboard, nothing. they were pretty beat up too. i got no recipt in the mail. and the paint they use looked like crap. i dont recomend all pro for any thing. every thing they got marlin has and for customer service you cant beat marlin. also while iam venting i ordered the rear upper shock mount from sky. the person who answered the phone must not wheel cause he didnt even know skys own product. i asked a few questions and he was honest enought to tell me he was not sure. when i got my shock mount i was a little let down to see i still had to fab it up to fit my truck. not that big of a deal. BUT my thing is this, if i pay good money for something i dont want to have to mess with it. now if it was a good deal than i wouldnt mind like marlins sliders for $100. that is worth the work. $80 for 1 tube with 2 bends and 2 bolts. sorry.
i will just stop

havik · « **Reply #13 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:29:06 PM »

the spring hanger bolt should sit directly under the body mount bolt

i think it is just a little forward of it?

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #14 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:32:34 PM »

i emailed one of the Allpro guys for ya, he's a bud if he can help im sure he will

yotaboy79 · « **Reply #15 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 09:33:42 PM »

it looks like the stock lenght springs every set ive seen had a shackle angle similar to that and the font hanger looks fine measure along the spring and i can compair them to a set that im using on a an sas im doing for a some one ill also get the distance from frame tube to the center of the front hanger bolt and post up for ya but it does look like the stock lenght springs

havik · « **Reply #16 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 10:00:33 PM »

i hope so
this is where i measured from
44.75" to the hole on the front hanger

havik · « **Reply #17 on:** Apr 08, 2007, 10:01:41 PM »

i will get the measurements tues

havik · « **Reply #18 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 05:40:28 PM »

i just measured from body mount bolt to front spring hanger bolt. the bolt is forward .75"
iam still going to press on with the build. today iam going to take one spring off and measure both eye to eye and along the spring. tomorrow i will call allpro and ask them the length of the stockers and the long travels. iam hoping i have the wrong springs, that is an easyer fix than cuttin off the front hanger. more time and money. here at the shop we pay by the hour for the stall and iam payin the welder (rick) $50 an hour. it adds up quick.
but so far it has been a good time.

kneedownnate · « **Reply #19 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 06:00:10 PM »

I was gonna say that's a bitchin shop you had access to, but I guess it should be if it costs money

I wouldn't even sweat it till you get it on the ground, plus you'll never know how much lift it yields until the springs are supporting the vehicle weight. Drop it to the ground real quick, snap a pic and post up

guywithuglyyota · « **Reply #20 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 06:06:52 PM »

Your fine man, worry about that stuff if you have been driving around for a while and it has yet to settle. Your right about the lift though, I actually removed the bottom leaf from my marlin springs so they would sit lower. If it makes ya feel better mine looked the exact same after install.

havik · « **Reply #21 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 07:02:04 PM »

kneedownnate this is the angle with the weight of the veh.
i just took one spring off and these are the measurements i got.
from center eye to center eye was: 41.10/16"
from inside wall of the eye to inside wall of the eye (if that makes sense): 42.75"
total length of the spring measuring from the out side of the spring was: 48"
OH

i just got an idea.
iam going to go measure the saggy stock spring and see if the numbers are close

86bobbedtoy · « **Reply #22 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 07:30:15 PM »

Quote from: havik on Apr 10, 2007, 07:02:04 PM

kneedownnate this is the angle with the weight of the veh.
i just took one spring off and these are the measurements i got.
from center eye to center eye was: 41.10/16"
from inside wall of the eye to inside wall of the eye (if that makes sense): 42.75"
total length of the spring measuring from the out side of the spring was: 48"
OH i just got an idea.
iam going to go measure the saggy stock spring and see if the numbers are close

Just what I was going to say..

brainlessfool · « **Reply #23 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 07:53:40 PM »

$50 an hour for a bud to weld for ya? OUCH!

that sucks!

how close to Santa Maria is ya?

yotaboy79 · « **Reply #24 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 07:57:00 PM »

the one im working on is 44" from the front hanger to the shackle hanger
heres some pics of the one im working on the, the full wieght of the truck is sitting on the springs and there all pro 5" springs

havik · « **Reply #25 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 08:34:18 PM »

"how close to Santa Maria is ya?"
vandenberg afb is about 15 mi from santa maria. why?

brainlessfool · « **Reply #26 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 08:40:11 PM »

Quote from: havik on Apr 10, 2007, 08:34:18 PM

"how close to Santa Maria is ya?"
vandenberg afb is about 15 mi from santa maria. why?

Just wondering, that put ya about 13 mins from my front door.

wonder if my naber would lead me his welder, again.

havik · « **Reply #27 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 08:50:25 PM »

nice. please ask.
i just told my wife tonight how much this is all costin.

kneedownnate · « **Reply #28 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 08:59:02 PM »

You did?! What the hell were you thinking?

havik · « **Reply #29 on:** Apr 10, 2007, 09:04:29 PM »

she asked and it kinda poped out

iam gettin $2000 to play with in a few weeks. i hope she forgets about our little conversation by then. iam trying to get a front bummper and some 33's" and some new rims w/ that money.

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