johnny who?

[burnyota]

Wondering if any of you have any experience with johnny joints from currie....i am toying with the idea of using the 3" joints for upper rear shackle mounts and would like your input on this. AOR had there joint/shackle combo, and are no longer around. I know that people use them , but don't know anyone that does, so pics and others of the like will be greatly appreciated so i can move foward with my build. Is this a solid way of getting a bit more out of the rear suspension? thanks in advance

[MiniSimp]

In my build up thread in RIG GALLERY

[burnyota]

thanks MiniSimp...i've been checking it out over there. nice build

[jimbo74]

what about the alcan orbit eyes?

[burnyota]

not sure but i think alcan is selling the orbit eyes since aor is no longer....randy was always cool to me at aor


how about some JJ input

[burnyota]

does anyone use these? or know of anyone who does for the upper shackle mount ....they are kinda $$ and i would like some input befor i buy them, thanks in advance

[Cheesemaker]

I can't remember who has them, there are shackle sleeves instead of bushings that have a 10 degree amount of movement to them.  I wish I could remember where I saw them!   

[abnormaltoy]

I can't remember who has them, there are shackle sleeves instead of bushings that have a 10 degree amount of movement to them.  I wish I could remember where I saw them!   

Deaver sells some bushing replacement/johnny joint alternatives...is that what you're talking about? I think the have 18* of movement, but they're kind of proud of them.

I just looked them up. Are these them?

http://www.deaverspring.com/BajaBushing.htm

[burnyota]

cool..thanks for the info....do ya'll know of how much they would benefit? from looking at othr rigs in action , and what would be the downfall of using something like this....but 18* is a good amount of movement

[abnormaltoy]

cool..thanks for the info....do ya'll know of how much they would benefit? from looking at othr rigs in action , and what would be the downfall of using something like this....but 18* is a good amount of movement

I've got the early Orbit Eye springs, I really like them. The new ones are even flexier. Check into the at Alcan. I know they make the springs still, I don't know if they sell the eyes separately.

[MiniSimp]

--AOR Orbit Eye Joint
--Price $69.95
--Flex Degree 38*
--Size 2.5 inch
--Width- 3 3/4inch
--Ball Joint "precision-machined, cold-rolled steel ball"
--Cartirdge/Race "molybdenum-based nylon socket"
-- No Zirk fitting
--Uses, Leaf springs
--Issues, ??
Molybdenum Propertise

--AllPro Johnny Joint
--Price $38. each
--Flex Degree 30*
--Size O.D. 2.5 inch
--Width- ??
--Gets there Joints from Currie,
BUT they drill the ball out to except a 5/8 shackle Bolt with Zirk fittg thus Lubricating the bolt inside the ball joint to not rust.
--Plus they Cross Drill the Ball to allow grease to Enter the ball joint.
--Use a C-clip on One end to hold joint together.
--Cartridge/race joint material still unknown
--BAll Joint material , UNKNOWN
--sells about 50 a month
- reports no failues with joint, search Board for feedback
--NEED A PRESS TO assemble
--USes, Leaf Shackle Pivot
--Issues/complaints: Difficult to install or rebuild NOT a SCREW Cap

X-Joint "Rod End
--Price--> $34.95 each
--Flex degrees ??*
--Size--> 2 5/8
--Width- ??
--Nickel Plated Ball stress proof ball
--DOM shell with tapped hole for zerk
--Cartidge/races-->Oil Injected Nylon Races (Minimal Wear)
--Poly cup with integrated grease passage, zerk fitting.
--9/16" Bore
--.188 Wall Dom Outer tube
--2 5/8" Wide at bolt bore flanges.
--Zinc Plated threaded retainer, washer and snap ring
--Stainless Steel Set Screw
--Uses: Control arm,
--Issues: ?? Not a SCREW Cap

Rubicon Express joint
originally designed to replace the heim joints
--Price $32. 2inch Flex 22* degrees -for track bar upper control arm
--Price $39. 2 5/8 inch 18* degrees - for Lower control arm
--Ball joint polished chrome ball, no specs Oval/Egg shape not true sphere
--Uses screw cap and C-clip
--Cartridge/Race UHMW nylon
--Tube Zerk fitting
--requires tool to tighten
--Uses: Control arms, track bars, Jeeps
--Issues: ?? Buy tightening tool $17.


--Currie Joint Same as Allpro
--Price $
--Flex Degrees 30*
--size 2 5/8 inch
--Uses screw in caps to hold joint together
--Cartridge/race "high88" urethane,like ploy bushings
--Ball Joint, 4340 Chromoly
--requires tool to fasten
--Uses: Rod end, Control arms, Jeeps

Edit add From "TRD":
Flexxx Joint
-$39.95
-2 5/8" Mounting Width
-9/16" Bolt
-Flex degrees 22.5*
-Wear Resistant
-Self Lubricating
-Greasable (to keep dirt out)
-Nilatron Races
-Hard Chrome Plated Ball
-Fully Rebuildable
Nilatron Propertise

[abnormaltoy]

Dang man...you did some digging! But fresh off the Alcan site the new Orbit eyes are now listed at 46* flex.

[MiniSimp]

Anything is easy to find if you read the PBB-FAQ

[abnormaltoy]

Anything is easy to find if you read the PBB-FAQ

I don't know if it's EASY, but it is condensed! My eyes start crossing on about pg.5!

[burnyota]

wow...thanx man

[SWAMPER]

Hey isnt this what John wanted to do on your truck for the longest time

[burnyota]

Hey isnt this what John wanted to do on your truck for the longest time

yeah i have talked with him in the past about this....think i'm callin alcan

[burnyota]

wow....just talked to ALCAN, and they told me bad idea!  told them what i wanted to use it for and they said it would walk all over the road and not to use them for rear shackle mount...even with a waybar...hmmmm

[Willy Mammoth]

wow....just talked to ALCAN, and they told me bad idea!  told them what i wanted to use it for and they said it would walk all over the road and not to use them for rear shackle mount...even with a waybar...hmmmm

Shackle mount NO, but you should not have a problem with them in the spring cause the frame side will keep the shackle from leaning and causing the rearend to move from side to side.

[Rockdiver]

I have the Orbit Eye Springs in my 85 Toy. The Front has only front eyes. The rear longer springs have Front and Back Orbit eyes but not in the shackle though.
Mine were from AOR. They used my truck for a Build up for Off Road. The Only problem Ihave had is the eye on drivers side front slides over . I think I can tighten it But that spring sags bad. You also have to weld wider hangers to use them.  I Cant complain for Free . I am going to order 2 new ones for the front soon .  Lynn
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=11564.msg120677#msg120677

[Willy Mammoth]

I just got off the phone with Alcan myself and it turns out you need to buy their springs to get the orbit eyes. The eye in the spring is larget than the stock spring and you can't use them. 

I was all ready to order them, but I want to go 4 link soon and can't see spending that kind of money just for a couple months.

I think the swivle plates are going to be the way to go for me. 

[MiniSimp]

I think the swivle plates are going to be the way to go for me. 

[Willy Mammoth]

I sent Big Mike a drawing of my design just before he left. I will have to find my copy and get to work on them. I am sure he could use them too when he comes back.

[burnyota]

this has cleared up a few misconceptions that I have had for a while....thanks for the info