Author Topic: detroit or ARB in the rear for rig that will see street use... (Read 6415 times)

FSAD · « **on:** May 12, 2006, 01:24:40 PM »

not a daily driver, but will drive it on the road, and on the snow covered streets of colorado-my main concern.

my concern is the detroit will slide around more in the snow while the ARB will act open if unlocked

your thoughts?

mike

DTB · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2006, 02:43:58 PM »

You want the ARB (if you can afford it). The Detroit could put you in a ditch (or worse) on those snow-covered mountainous roads. The open rear will help you stay on the road. If you get stuck, just push the little button. This would be my first choice but I'm poor right now. The only drawback to the ARB is more likelyhood of failure (compressor or seals) but this is usually due to operator installation or neglect.

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2006, 02:44:50 PM »

My 4Runner worked great in snow with a Detroit, my pickup would slide all over the place in snow with a detroit. My 4Runner was an auto and the truck a 5 speed. I have noticed that the auto's are more tollerant of snow with a fulltime locker over a stick. This would include an ARB, I guess the auto is more forgiving of a locker in the rig. Also the 4Runner was locked f/r and the truck had a limited slip front, I don't think it made any difference though since I've noticed the same tendancies in other rigs. If I was looking for a selectable locker an e-locker would be my choice.

DTB · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2006, 02:48:08 PM »

yea, i was gonna ask him if it was a truck or runner. that can make a difference. Mine is flatbedded and it slides all over the friggin place with a detroit in the rear. $Beer Chug\'n$ ditto on the e-locker too

FSAD · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2006, 02:51:47 PM »

its a truck, with future fabbed "bed"

who makes the e-locker again? is it just as strong as a detroit and ARB?

the plan is 4.3L, 700r4, marlins dual case, beefed up shafts and axle shafts and 38ish tires

mike

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2006, 02:52:16 PM »

I don't think it matters on weather it's a 4Runner or truck I think what matters is weather or not it is an auto or stick. A friend of mine has an 4Runner with a five speed and ARB's granted it won't move with them off in snow once he pop's them in his 4Runner is all over the place.

DTB · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2006, 04:46:19 PM »

Quote from: FSAD on May 12, 2006, 02:51:47 PM

who makes the e-locker again? is it just as strong as a detroit and ARB?

the most common are toyota's stock e-locker (which can be converted to manual actuation) or the Detroit Electrac.

IronClad · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2006, 04:59:41 PM »

detriots are garbage stay away from them.. weld it or arb. get somthing predictable.. a detroit is not that. nor is anything like a aussie locker/ez locker

blackdiamond · « **Reply #8 on:** May 12, 2006, 05:10:08 PM »

When I was driving to and from Moab in my 85 truck I didn't have any problems with my Detroit rear as long as I kept it slow and steady. I had to be very careful.

While out snow wheeling with gotrocks I was driving down a snow packed road in 4wd (Aussie front and Detroit rear) and it was handling like it was in 2wd. The front Aussie wasn't a problem in the front compared to the lack of traction in the rear.

I did have my tires siped on the Moab trip and the roads were not as slick as the snow wheeling trip.

I might try the Aussie in the rear, it would be my choice if I started again.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2006, 05:28:44 PM »

E-LOCKER strongest 8inch 3rd there is

DTB · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2006, 05:29:48 PM »

Quote from: IronClad on May 12, 2006, 04:59:41 PM

detriots are garbage stay away from them.. get somthing predictable.. a detroit is not that.

IC, do you mean all detriots or the electracs? they are selectable, isn't that predictable?

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2006, 06:15:37 PM »

Detroits never failed me?

Shamb · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2006, 09:37:49 PM »

Quote

detriots are garbage stay away from them.. weld it or arb. get somthing predictable.. a detroit is not that. nor is anything like a aussie locker/ez locker

You've got to be kidding me, your HONESTLY going to choice an ARB over a Detroit?

You know how many ARB's ive seen SHATTER on the trail compared to Detroits? A DETROIT WILL NOT BREAK unless you dont know how to set them up right.
Hyena's blew out a detroit but thats only because there was slop in there and it beat itself to death. I stand by detroit myself.. I have yet to see one blow up on the trail... ARB on the other hand.. yea its great that you can engauge and dis-engauge it but you'll be dealing with leaky lines and it'll eventually go.... seen it happen MANY times.

old school toy · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2006, 10:20:47 PM »

I have a ARB. It has slop inside, Like something is worn out. (side gear or pinion shaft worn???) It make a loud clunk. If I had to do it over again I would get a Detroit.

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2006, 10:24:50 PM »

Too much :bull crap: involved with an ARB, I prefer old reliable tried and true products that you know are there without having to flip a switch to make sure it is working, then when you need it most and flip that switch it still doesn't work.

It's a Detroit or Auburn for me.

IronClad · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2006, 11:26:05 PM »

Quote from: Shamb on May 12, 2006, 09:37:49 PM

You've got to be kidding me, your HONESTLY going to choice an ARB over a Detroit?

You know how many ARB's ive seen SHATTER on the trail compared to Detroits? A DETROIT WILL NOT BREAK unless you dont know how to set them up right.
Hyena's blew out a detroit but thats only because there was slop in there and it beat itself to death. I stand by detroit myself.. I have yet to see one blow up on the trail... ARB on the other hand.. yea its great that you can engauge and dis-engauge it but you'll be dealing with leaky lines and it'll eventually go.... seen it happen MANY times.

seen way to many detriots fail and for a street driven truck they BLOW especially in snow.. hell ive almost got in a few accidents on dry pavement because of a detroit they suck. the only problems ive ever seen with a arb have all been oring related no leaky lines. and sorry if a dana44 arb of all things will stand up to 49" iroks then im sold because ive seen it in person same with on 44" boggers.. In reverse up saddle lake in the highlakes damn near standing the truck on its front end BOUNCING 44 held and so did the arb.. 44" boggers at about 5 psi.. that thing should be DEAD.

And know how to set them up right ? lol whats there to know? i usually set the lash a little tighter on a detroit since there is so much slop in them so things stay together.

detroits are all hype.. hell look at all the hype around the aussie locker how their so great..

and look who ever broke one. chris ! i would never imagine him breaking one. nobody i know would stick a detroit in the front either. break a shaft or a birf and the locker is toast.. sorry i'll replace shafts but im not gonna replace a 4-500 dollar locker every single time i break screw that.

ARBS are where its at. if i could afford it id have them front and rear.. The only reason people are so hard up for detroits are because they have been around longer than dirt And yeah they work but the slop that they have and put into the drivetrain is not good.

just my opinion though.. You know like they say.. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one and they all stink

Shamb · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2006, 09:27:07 PM »

yea they blow in snow only because they're a full on locker, thats about the only thing I agree with. I drove with a detroit in the rear for 6 years, had probably 10,000 miles PLUS on it and didn't give me a single problem. Ran every trail in the Sierra's multiple times jumping that

on rocks left and right. Detroit didn't give a single inch... Its nice of you to stand by those ARB's, opinions will vary... but my $02.... the ARB cant compare strength wise... I'll be running a detroit in the front of my 60 and won't think twice about hammering that freaker up and over anything.

IronClad, i've got your number bro. We're seriously gonna wheel together this Summer!

IronClad · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2006, 10:40:14 PM »

I have noticed that detroits like to hold better in certian axles moreso like 14bolts/60s/70s and 44s i think the toyota axle shockloads alot worse when it breaks due to the ammount of material breaking in the birfield which is why it kills the locker.. ive just never liked the quirks they have in corners and even sometimes in the straights.. must just be my driving style lol i love my welded diffs and their predictability.

but yea dude after the snow melt i'll be in the highlakes every weekend wheelin and i plan on hittin the con sometime. maybe a couple times. should get together sometime fersure

cheap sunglasses · « **Reply #18 on:** May 14, 2006, 12:13:21 AM »

Quote from: Shamb on May 12, 2006, 09:37:49 PM

You know how many ARB's ive seen SHATTER on the trail compared to Detroits? A DETROIT WILL NOT BREAK unless you dont know how to set them up right.

Neither will an ARB, especially in a Toyota drivetrain.
Remember this is more of a question of traction than reliablity when paired with sub 40 inch tires and an 8 inch ring gear; the locker strength shouldnt be a big concern.

Detroits are great on the rocks and trails, but any loose dirt, mud, snow, sand, etc and youll be wishing you could have the versatility of a selectable.

As for ARB vs Elocker..

Quote from: BigMike on Sep 15, 2005, 02:23:08 PM

See, in order to fit the locking mechanism of the e-locker inside of the 8" diff, Toyota had to use an enormous carrier bearing, so not only is the operation of the e-locker better and more reliable than the ARB, it is also the strongest differential available.

BTW, Shamb, that clown...

freaking creepy!

alpha_radiation · « **Reply #19 on:** May 14, 2006, 05:30:07 PM »

I've driven plenty of times in the snow with my 85, and have a detroit in the rear. The only times I had trouble was when I stuck my foot in it going around a corner, the rear would slide every time and I would get a big ol grin.
Go with a detroit in the rear and just learn to drive with it. Save your money for an arb in the front.

Autos are smoother because the slip in the tranny.

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #20 on:** May 14, 2006, 06:11:04 PM »

Quote from: cheap sunglasses on May 14, 2006, 12:13:21 AM

BTW, Shamb, that clown... freaking creepy!

That be Homie The Clown, he's the coolest clown ever.

DTB · « **Reply #21 on:** May 14, 2006, 06:14:48 PM »

Quote from: Engineer Ben on May 14, 2006, 05:30:07 PM

I've driven plenty of times in the snow with my 85, and have a detroit in the rear. The only times I had trouble was when I stuck my foot in it going around a corner, the rear would slide every time and I would get a big ol grin.
Go with a detroit in the rear and just learn to drive with it. Save your money for an arb in the front.

Autos are smoother because the slip in the tranny.

yay, but he's driving in the mountains in Colorado. I have a Detroit too (and a big grin) but I wouldn't wanna be driving cliffside with my ass sliding all over the place. just my two cents.......and yes, homie is da man!

Shamb · « **Reply #22 on:** May 14, 2006, 06:28:43 PM »

Homie dont play dat!

DTB · « **Reply #23 on:** May 14, 2006, 06:32:15 PM »

speak of the devil and he will appear

alpha_radiation · « **Reply #24 on:** May 15, 2006, 09:47:23 AM »

Quote from: DirToyBoy on May 14, 2006, 06:14:48 PM

yay, but he's driving in the mountains in Colorado. I have a Detroit too (and a big grin) but I wouldn't wanna be driving cliffside with my ass sliding all over the place. just my two cents.......and yes, homie is da man!

So put it in 4 high. When it gets to lose for comfort 4 high will save the day. As long as he doesn't have an autolocker in the front he will be ok.

blackdiamond · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2006, 10:06:34 AM »

Quote from: Engineer Ben on May 15, 2006, 09:47:23 AM

So put it in 4 high. When it gets to lose for comfort 4 high will save the day. As long as he doesn't have an autolocker in the front he will be ok.

My rear Detroit caused me way more excitement than my front Aussie that last time I ran on snowpack in 4wd. The front wasn't bad at all, I was expecting much worse.

whiteman · « **Reply #26 on:** May 16, 2006, 09:14:53 AM »

Quote from: Rocksurfer on May 12, 2006, 02:52:16 PM

I don't think it matters on weather it's a 4Runner or truck I think what matters is weather or not it is an auto or stick. A friend of mine has an 4Runner with a five speed and ARB's granted it won't move with them off in snow once he pop's them in his 4Runner is all over the place.

Thats wierd, when I welded my 4-Runner up it wouldn't do donuts for shizzle. But now in my pickup its a breeze, even in a foot and a half of water

I have a welded rear, and 35x14.50 boggers, no problems on the dry so far, cant wait till it rains. Around town it will be a drifting course.

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #27 on:** May 16, 2006, 01:15:43 PM »

Quote from: Engineer Ben on May 14, 2006, 05:30:07 PM

I've driven plenty of times in the snow with my 85, and have a detroit in the rear. The only times I had trouble was when I stuck my foot in it going around a corner, the rear would slide every time and I would get a big ol grin.
Go with a detroit in the rear and just learn to drive with it. Save your money for an arb in the front.

Autos are smoother because the slip in the tranny.

I've got a detroit in the rear, driven 35,000 miles on it, snow, ice, wet, dry, all of the above. Stay smart, and take it easy and you'll stay on the roads. I've lived in CO, and I know the roads out there, its not whats being driven, but whos behind the wheel. I've seen a VW bug with chains do better than a toyota runner simply because the driver knew what he was doing. MY detroit has be pretty dang predictable for me, don't stomp it in a turn, and you don't slide

If you've got the coin though, you may as well go with the ARB

FSAD [OP]

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