Author Topic: Shackle lift/drop question (Read 5754 times)

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **on:** Jan 30, 2006, 10:54:02 AM »

being i really dont want the added leverage and width of lift shackles, i need to know wether stock shackles will work on marlin extended leafs

heres a picture of the rear shackle angle at the moment. id like to go back to stock length but dont know if this would be a problem. does anyone else run a stock shackle on marlin extended leafs?

IronClad · « **Reply #1 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 10:56:17 AM »

unless you move your mount No you cannot.

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #2 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 11:07:12 AM »

by mount you mean the rear mount correct?

IronClad · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 11:09:40 AM »

the shackle mount. it would have to be moved back in order for the spring to not colapse.. or even put it on

jimbo74 · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 11:22:49 AM »

whats wrong with using the extended shackle?

KYOTA · « **Reply #5 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 11:33:06 AM »

why do you want to use the stock shackles? even if you move the hanger to use them, you would be limiting flex, the shorter shackle would bottom against the frame in a couple inches making the available flex of the spring useless. keep the longer shackles

eightyfive · « **Reply #6 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 12:44:14 PM »

post a full picture of your truck...must move shackle mount or shackle will be flat agianst frame.

whiteman · « **Reply #7 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 01:00:06 PM »

Quote from: KYOTA on Jan 30, 2006, 11:33:06 AM

why do you want to use the stock shackles? even if you move the hanger to use them, you would be limiting flex, the shorter shackle would bottom against the frame in a couple inches making the available flex of the spring useless. keep the longer shackles

KYOTA is right, it would be pointless for you to buy Marlin springs and then use your stock shackle. You would not be able to use the flex they provide.

They added leverage of a six inch shackle is not going to hurt you unless your frame is falling apart like mine was. There are lots of guy's running 8" shackles and they have no problems except maybe dragging them on rocks now and then.

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #8 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 01:51:48 PM »

i just didnt want the 6 inch lift, id like to drop it a couple of inches is all but i may just leave it and deal with it being high.

reason id like it lower is cus its nearly impossible to load and unload my quad out the back without the use of some long arse ramps..... and i dont have the room for ramps when i go out. i may just buy a shell to bring it down some i guess.

i hate the angle at wich my front shackles also hang like so......

heres a side view of how it sits...

and a rear side shot.... (sitting on 35's)

KYOTA · « **Reply #9 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 02:08:32 PM »

what springs and length are those springs in the front? what length shackle in front?

jimbo74 · « **Reply #10 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 02:23:54 PM »

take out some leafs then......

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #11 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 02:55:00 PM »

Quote from: KYOTA on Jan 30, 2006, 02:08:32 PM

what springs and length are those springs in the front? what length shackle in front?

northwest offroad springs. 44'' from eye to eye centers. then 21 1/2'' from front eye to center pin. would the use of marlin springs make for a better shackle angle? i think they measure 47 inches total dont they? plus i would assume they'd flex better then these 4 leaf fronts.

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take out some leafs then......

if i take too many out, my rear will sag way out when i go to load it to go to the desert. as it is, my truck sags pretty good when i have it loaded. my bike weighs about 400lbs, then tools, fuel, food, blah blah blah..... by the time im loaded im about in 800lbs or so load.

jimbo74 · « **Reply #12 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 02:56:13 PM »

NWOR is retarded, i would buy from all-poo befroe them.......

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #13 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 02:59:30 PM »

Quote from: DR 4x2 on Jan 30, 2006, 02:56:13 PM

NWOR is retarded, i would buy from all-poo befroe them.......

well i guess that answers my flex limitation problem up front

jimbo74 · « **Reply #14 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 03:05:17 PM »

Quote from: SQUIRREL MONSTER on Jan 30, 2006, 02:59:30 PM

well i guess that answers my flex limitation problem up front

there products are mediocre at best, and they have less customer service than anywhere else......

KYOTA · « **Reply #15 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 03:09:00 PM »

Marlins 4" springs are 47" with 25" pin to rear,the 5" springs are 47 1/2" with 25 1/2" pin to rear. that would fix that shackle angle

whiteman · « **Reply #16 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 03:24:12 PM »

I have a solution....Air bags.

That will solve all your problems, adjustable ride hight, super flex, and cushy ride.

MiniSimp · « **Reply #17 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 03:38:25 PM »

God that is horrible!!!!!
Get some marlin springs!

kneedownnate · « **Reply #18 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 06:35:17 PM »

NWOR is not too bad, just don't always have the best customer service, but they have some very good products. I wonder if you redid your fronts by replacing the main leaf with an 89 or newer 2wd rear main maybe your shackle angle would be corrected?

KYOTA · « **Reply #19 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 06:51:29 PM »

excellent idea Nate

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #20 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 07:26:52 PM »

well, the NWOR springs are what came with the truck. i had no control over that factor. surprises me te guy does a nice set of marlin rears extended and then goes with some medioker springs up front

anyhow, air ride would be nice but slightly expensive at the moment. it'd be nice to slam it low for highway driving making for a nice steady ride, or adjusting the ride in the rear for when i carry things, and then lift it up when i go to the trails. ive seen some crawlers use it before but air bags have their limit. mabe someday.

as for the marlin springs..... what length should i go with? whats the diffrence between using the 47 and 47 1/2?? why only a half inch diffrence? kinda seems a bit pointless

KYOTA · « **Reply #21 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 07:28:48 PM »

47" is a 4" lift spring and the longer 47 1/2" is the 5" lift spring

_HOIST_ · « **Reply #22 on:** Jan 30, 2006, 07:57:12 PM »

For gods sake, don't ruin the world's greatest rear springs, that is the way they were supposed to be. And as for the front, I would strongly consider running something different than NWOR springs, your options are limitless with marlin's gear.

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #23 on:** Jan 31, 2006, 05:13:51 AM »

Quote from: KYOTA on Jan 30, 2006, 07:28:48 PM

47" is a 4" lift spring and the longer 47 1/2" is the 5" lift spring

o0Oh!! ok... well i guess i i will be looking into a new set of malin springs here very soon then and give

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anyone intrested in a set of used nwor springs?

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #24 on:** Jan 31, 2006, 10:40:30 AM »

by the way.... anyone have a picture of their truck running marlin fronts with a shackle lift?? just curious to see.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #25 on:** Jan 31, 2006, 11:27:29 AM »

the shackles on the rear look perfect,

post some good pics of the front springs i bet you could just replace the 2 top leafs with some stock rear leafs and be golden.

your shackles should angle / or ride is

oh and springs will settle after a few hundred miles

or a couple good trails

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #26 on:** Jan 31, 2006, 12:06:41 PM »

yea, thats the thing is these springs have been down some nice twisty trails and ruts. so im sure theyve worked out during the past year. thing is, even with the nice bills up front, they still ride pretty harsh

the springs are not even cut, or paded like the marlin rears.

keeping in mind i drive mine to and from work and everywhere else in between, id like it to have a nice-r ride. its not all that bad right now but you can tell the diffrence when the front hits it and slightly jolts and the rear with no weight hits it and is softer

i dont mind forking out the money for nicer springs and ones that will work better. all things asside, i also cant be without a truck to go to work

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #27 on:** Jan 31, 2006, 12:09:31 PM »

yea get some 4 inch marlin fronts and sell those to some unsuspecting fool

SQUIRREL MONSTER · « **Reply #28 on:** Jan 31, 2006, 02:52:23 PM »

yea well my better half would feel guilty about doin that someone but then my not-so-better half reminds me...... if someone wants a set of springs bad enough

they wont care. ill go sell em on the pirate boards i guess

whiteman · « **Reply #29 on:** Jan 31, 2006, 03:23:15 PM »

Carefull now, the wrong person might here that and you will be smoked

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