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Longfield question?
« on: Jan 19, 2006, 10:13:18 AM »
So i've been looking into getting some Longfield super axles and was just wondering how much weaker the 27 spline super set is than the 30 spline? I will be running 5.29s and 36's in my 93' 4Runner.

Also, are there any other mods you have to do for your carrier to accept the 30 splines?
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Re: Longfield question?
« Reply #1 on: Jan 19, 2006, 10:16:18 AM »
Originally posted by desertoy
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What everyone needs to know about Longfields
After months of testing myself and talking to other people that run them I have compiled a list of things that Longfield owners need to pay attention to. These are not suggestions, these are facts based on multiple failure analysis.

1. You must grease these things before you install them.

2. They will be blue in color when you receive them and you will have to tap them on the axle splines when you first install them but that is OK.

3. You must use a "Martack" on your inner axles. When measuring for the Martack, grease the inner axle splines on the side that slides in the differential. Install the inner axle by its self just far enough so that the seal surface on the axle matches up with the lip of the oil seal and then remove it. look at the impression in the greased splines that the splines in the 3rd member made and put your martack so that the axle cannot slide in any further than your mark. DO NOT GO BY ANYONE ELSES MEASUREMENT! There are too many variables. Just do it yourself and you will be sure that it is right. [edit by 4RnrRick - I prefer using masking tape on the spines instead of grease for determining the correct location for a martack. Also the reason for the martack is so that if you break an inner axle shaft it would be nearly impossible to remove the broken piece from inside the birf cage if the outermost snap ring is left on the inner axle shaft.]

4. Before you install the knuckle, clean it up real good and either remove the top 4 trunnion bolts (the ones that the steering arm mounts to) and reinstall them with permanent thread locker, or make sure that they are seated properly and tack weld them on the inside of the knuckle.

5. You MUST use a snap ring on the locking hub side of the Longfield. There are 2 snap ring grooves on the Longfield end of the axle shaft. You must NOT use a snap ring on the outside (the part that goes inside of the Longfield) of the axle shaft. You MUST use a snapring on the groove that is just outside of the Longfield. This will keep the axle from sliding too far in the longfield and damaging the end of the axle shaft.

6. The factory steering stops are made out of a piece of angle iron that is welded onto the axle tube. These stops are weak and WILL bend with use and throw off your steering stop adjustment. Either weld a bolt down the center of them to strengthen them or cut then off and replacement them with something stronger.

7. The steering stop adjustment is the most critical adjustment you can do to make you steering components and your Longfields live. To do this you must start by centering your steering box. With your drag link disconnected, rotate your steering wheel from lock to lock while counting the turns of the steering wheel. Divide that # by 2, to get the # of turns from lock position to center. With the steering box centered, hook up the drag link without moving the steering wheel. The knuckle assembly MUST be centered also. If it is not, adjust the length of your drag link to accomplish this. Next, disconnect the tie rod, and with the drag link hooked up and the steering stops backed off all the way, turn the wheel all the way to the left until the Longfield binds. You can tell when it binds by having a buddy turn the hub (tire) while you do this. When the hub (tire) gets hard to turn, the Longfield is binding. Set your stops on the right (passengers) knuckle so that this does not happen. Now turn the wheel all the way to the right and do the same thing. Next, hook up you tie rod and with the Left (drivers) side steering stops backed off turn the steering wheel all the way to the left until the RIGHT (passengers)steering stop does its job. Adjust the LEFT (drivers) steering stop at this point. Turn the steering wheel all the way to the right and do the same thing. This adjustment needs to be checked periodically. {edit by 4rnrrick: Also re-enforcing them will help stop them from crushing. Welding 5/8-11unc nuts in them work well.}

8. Go wheeling but make sure to bring spare inner axle shafts.

9. If you break a Longfield change it immediatly. Call Bobby when you get home and if it meets the warrenty criteria he will send you another one.
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The above list should probably be also applied to any type of aftermarket Birfield / Marfield / Newfield/ Longfield/ Smurfield / WhateverField....

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Re: Longfield question?
« Reply #2 on: Jan 19, 2006, 10:24:44 AM »
How much weaker are the 27 splines v. 30, I believe Longfield's graph explains it:

IMO for less than $100, you can upgrade to the 30 splines with less worries about failure. One thing I would disagree with the post by desertoy/minisimp is that Longfield states you do not need to Martack your inner axles with the new 30 splines. :twocents:
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Re: Longfield question?
« Reply #3 on: Jan 20, 2006, 12:35:08 AM »


Also, are there any other mods you have to do for your carrier to accept the 30 splines?
they just slide right in. the factory carrier is 30 spline and the shafts are 27 spline at the birf. the 30 spline longs are 30 spline at the birf in stead of the 27.
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Re: Longfield question?
« Reply #4 on: Jan 21, 2006, 12:04:24 AM »
There is absolutly no need to Martack your Longfields it is not necessary. Do not do it.  You may need to on the first generation of Longfield axles, but you no longer need to.

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Re: Longfield question?
« Reply #5 on: Jan 21, 2006, 04:21:41 AM »
Good information.
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