Supercharged 22r motor... need advice/HELP!

[sirdeuce]

Then it was a race car, or hot street. Drive it like it's on a track and accept the consequences. If you are talking about a daily driver you want to get several years of operation out of your engine, drive it accordingly.

My Mazdaspeed3 has passed 225k miles and still starts and runs without issue, and the thing will still break the law without thinking. 2.3 liters, 265 at the wheels, minimum tuning. FWD car with nearly 300ftlb of torque can be a handful. It gets beat on often enough.

Build your lump right and drive in a manner to fit your expectations. Getting 200hp from an N/A 1.6 liter engine is a bit of a task, but not too difficult to acheive.Keeping it alive for 100k miles might be a more daunting than the build, but it is doable.

[Gnarly4X]

I agree that a boosted engine can be technically built to have a degree or level of reliability and have a range of longevity.

However, commonly and more typically, these engines built by a DIYer, not a Mazda, Porche, NASCAR, or Formula 1 manufacturer, will require more frequent maintenance, more initial cost, must be blueprinted, and then tuned by very knowledgeable engine builders who have lots experience, perhaps a deucie type person. 

The alternative to the forementioned is most often, like zippo experienced, perhaps a short-lived disappointment.

This discussion have been very enlightening, and I assume very helpful for the OP.

Gnarls.

[sirdeuce]

I agree that a boosted engine can be technically built to have a degree or level of reliability and have a range of longevity.

However, commonly and more typically, these engines built by a DIYer, not a Mazda, Porche, NASCAR, or Formula 1 manufacturer, will require more frequent maintenance, more initial cost, must be blueprinted, and then tuned by very knowledgeable engine builders who have lots experience, perhaps a deucie type person. 

The alternative to the forementioned is most often, like zippo experienced, perhaps a short-lived disappointment.

This discussion have been very enlightening, and I assume very helpful for the OP.

Gnarls.

Exacterly.

Just to generalise a boosted engine, 22R included here, will be unreliable is hogwash.

You really don't have to be a multibillion dollar conglomerate to plan and build an existing engine for performance and reliability, not at our level anyway, do the research, apply newer tech to the old gear and bring that old pile of recycling up to some facsimile of modern. Even if upgrading some parts is necessay.

Going into a bit af an argument like this comes from the trigger of "just swap in an XXXXXX engine". If that's what someone wants then fine, but it's irritating to hear when it wasn't the subject. If I want an N/A engine, and am talking about an N/A engine, last thing I want to hear is "just turbo it!". Just go away.

Oh yeah, comparing a big 'ol diesel truck engine to a race engine is like comparing oranges to hand grenades. They're both round, you can get them in your gut, but one will give you the worst case of heartburn you'll ever have.

[Gnarly4X]

Going into a bit af an argument like this comes from the trigger of "just swap in an XXXXXX engine". If that's what someone wants then fine, but it's irritating to hear when it wasn't the subject. If I want an N/A engine, and am talking about an N/A engine, last thing I want to hear is "just turbo it!". Just go away.

So to go off topic again...  Yeah... the typical comment when discussing how to gain some power for my little 22 is "well it's better just to swap in a "blankety blank engine".

I've done an engine "swap".  And I've talked to a bunch a guys who have.  There are pages of threads about engine swaps on just about any auto forum.

An engine swap is not as slick as it is sometimes described.

There is typically a list of things that have to be modified, fabricated, adapters to buy, and hours of unanticipated labor.

I'm sure there are "drop-in" swaps out there.

Gnarls.

[sirdeuce]

Yeah, I'd love to do a Honda K swap in my MR2, but that litte 4AGE is what belongs there. There are kits oout ther that take 90% of the challenge away. Then there is the Ford Ecotech that I like( basically the same engine that's in my Speed3) that I would like in my truck. A lot of the time a high power swap ends up being more than an engine. Once things start breaking you need to swap in stronger trans, axles, driveline, brakes, diffs, springs, add chassis/frame upgrades, not to mention the tires and fuel costs.

Want a super trick mod? How about Koenigsegg axial flux motors fron and rear? What is that? 80lbs of motor that makes 600hp X 2? 1200hp in a little truck that's good for rock crawling or a 10 second quarter mile.

Swap it! Turbo it! Juice it! How about just listening to what the posting party has in mind?

22R has 130-145 ftlb of torque in stock form. Adding 20-40ftlb of torque without losing reliability or longevity is not hard to do. At that point bolting on a supercharger for another 40-50ftlb of torque won't take much of that reliability away. Build it right, drive it right and that engine will take you ecerywhere. If all you want to do is trhash it all the time put in a nuke plant that is suppsed to run at 100% 100% of the time and go.