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I have some type of mid range cam and I think I prefer the higher OEM power band. I've never had the OEM cam in my 4Runner so hard to compare though.
Iam running 33's, 2 1/4 to glass pack then to muffler then 2 1/4 out
I have experienced many of the aftermarket cam shafts available,EB 261crawler, 268 torquer, couple of LCE cams and several engines with stock can.Best performance cam period is the LCE power pro cam great power all over with only slight rough idle.As for the headers any of the tri y design are the way to go.I have had pace setter, nw offroad, LCE long tube, and Doug thorly. Tri y is perfect all around while the long tube is for high rpm.Bottom line this engine does not make any real power period. When in 4low it's great on the freeway you are quickly reminded that you have maybe 100 hpWith every goody short of forced induction you got maybe 120If you love your truck and want power think and plan for future motor swap it's the real solution.The 22re is a legend and always will be but no one will ever say it had any power just that it will take a hell of a beating and just keep on running.
...As we mill heads and deck blocks we accidently retard cam timing? This dials toward top end? Is that correct or is it the other way around?
I will relate my experience with the 261 cam, it will pull and gain rpm in lower rpms where the stock cam will not. That said you sacrifice power at higher rpm as a result.
The cam I am running what I believe is a 22r/22re profile "stock" replacement. ...Of course driving impressions are going to be an aggregate of many factors so take this with a grain of salt...
Again, my target goal is increased torque between 2800 and 3400 RPM, that's where I want it for freeway cruising speeds, running 31" tires and stock 4:10 ring & pinion, 5th gear.Any comments?Gnarls.
4.56 gears should have better results/seat of the pants performance gain for your goal than the cam would, your about 11% under geared with the 4.10's and 31's. The 4.56 gear set should put you at just over 2900rpm's at 65mph/5th gear, vs. the just over 2600 you have now, and 4th gear would put you at the 3400rpm range.
I see this two or three times a year from newbies and many of you say the same thing over and over. "you dont need a cam" "bigger cams arent worth the money" blah blah blah ...
I see this two or three times a year from newbies and many of you say the same thing over and over. "you dont need a cam" "bigger cams arent worth the money" blah blah blahhere's a link to my truck rolling up the interstate off ramp from a dead stop. 4500 pound truck. 35 inch PitBull Rocker Radials I weighed them when they were mounted on my eagle alloy 15x10 wheels., the combo weighed 106 pounds each, 5.29's, LC header, Marlin 1200 clutch, 32/36 weber and LCE's Stage 2 racing cam. thats 290* duration and .460 lift.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VX1AFhpOck
I love watching that video!I am pretty happy with my stock 22r and it is doing just what I expected and a good fit for what we use the truck for, but I really want to build one of the balls out hybrids in the next few years, complete with Glen's cam and the works. I think I want one in my pickup though. The 4runner is right where I want and steady and smooth, the pickup is lighter and more of my rat rod. If I am going to make on strung out it's definitely going to be the 1980 pickup. There is something fun about the idea of having a hot, quick, rusty 1st gen.I am having more fun with carb than I ever did with EFI. Gnarls you are right that you can really notice small changes in tuning.Very curious to see how you like the 261C.
Hi Snowtoy,This is how I think about it, but I’m always open to any input…..Yes, ring & pinion gearing can make a big change in moving the RPM to get the peak torque.With 31” tires, 4.10 R&P, 80 MPH, 5th gear = about 3022 RPMsWith 4.88’s in 5th gear = about 3597. 4.88’s would put the RPM a little over my target RPM of 3400.Yes.. according to the torque and HP numbers in my spreadsheet, 4.56’s, with the 261C, would put me right in the sweet spot for peak torque at the RPM range I want the increase in power, 80 MPH, 5th gear = 3361 RPMSince the stock cam produces peak torque at 2800 RPM, I should be close to a sweet spot. BUT…. the issue is the peak 149 lbs of torque is not enough.The 261C cam is showing about 4 more lbs of peak torque starting at 3100 thru 3300, and 10 more lbs of torque at 3400 RPM.
The camshaft is about $112 and I get more power. I believe I can R&R a camshaft in about 2 hours (I’m slow). If I did a ring & pinion swap myself it would take me at least 8 hours, and I would defer to someone who has lots of experience setting up the specs on these diffs. If I change ring & pinions it’s about $500 to $600, keeping my stock cam, I only move my peak torque from 2844 RPM to 3168 RPM. It's better, but its a much higher cost for no increase in power.Gnarls.
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