Author Topic: HOW BAD IS THE 3.0 (Read 2831 times)

MUDDONKEY · « **on:** May 15, 2006, 05:45:00 PM »

I HAVE A 22R IN MY 85, I FOUND A 3.0 FOURUNNER W/ (sorry) the 3.0. w/ 150,000 miles. i love my 22r, can i expect long life and durability out of the 3.0? is it an easy swap over to a 22r(i have acces to one)

any info please!!

eightyfive · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2006, 05:53:32 PM »

if it's cheap, buy it....it'll be easier for you to swap in a 3.4 which is a GREAT engine. swaping a 22r in place of a 3.0 is too much work with little to gain.

MUDDONKEY · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2006, 08:29:32 AM »

CAN I GET THE 3.4 OUT OF A TERCEL OR CAMRY OR DOES THE FRONT WHEEL DRIVE IN THEM MAKE IT A BEOTCH??

854RUN · « **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2006, 09:03:07 AM »

I would say take the money and swap an 3rz or 22re into your 85. The 3.slow is sssssllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwww you wont be happy with the 3.0 its gutless. I have a 22re in my runner and i pass people with 3.0's when i drive in the mountans

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #4 on:** May 16, 2006, 03:26:37 PM »

its hit or miss. I've gone through two 3.0s in the last year and a half, original went out with 185,000 second one I bought used with about the same, went out 10k later, motot I hav e now runs stronger than either of the previous ones, and has about 198,000 on it. If you can get the motor, tranny, and harness for real cheap, I'd probably go for it, but if you're gonna spend a good amount of $$ on it, you may as well rebuild yours ,or step up to a 3rz

only reason I still have a 3.0 is because I can't afford the 3.4 swap right now. Just to keep the truck running, you're usually better of putting in the same type of motor you had in there

Quote from: 854RUN on May 16, 2006, 09:03:07 AM

I would say take the money and swap an 3rz or 22re into your 85. The 3.slow is sssssllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwww you wont be happy with the 3.0 its gutless. I have a 22re in my runner and i pass people with 3.0's when i drive in the mountans

mine pulls great, better than 22res that I've gone up the hill with

KWP · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2006, 03:53:48 PM »

The 3.0 I have in my 4runner has been a pretty good engine. Like stated obove if it's going to cost you alot for the 3.0 your better off saving for the 3.4 but if it's cheep go for it, it's really not that bad of an engine.

Paulie · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2006, 10:52:25 PM »

Are you good with wiring. if not pass it up and go SB

furrballs95 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2006, 12:19:15 PM »

i dont know about all that unless you some serious work done to that 22re you aint going to blow past my 3.0 . when ever me and my buddys go on our trip the one kid that has a 22re in an 87p/u can never keep up with me or any other 3.0 just my opinion though

Quote from: 854RUN on May 16, 2006, 09:03:07 AM

I would say take the money and swap an 3rz or 22re into your 85. The 3.slow is sssssllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwww you wont be happy with the 3.0 its gutless. I have a 22re in my runner and i pass people with 3.0's when i drive in the mountans

MUDDONKEY · « **Reply #8 on:** May 22, 2006, 09:44:47 AM »

is the 95' 3.0 improved over the 88'

furrball your page says "head gasket eater" yet you still like the 3.0?? how often does it eat? any other problems with the motor come up regularly?

get r done · « **Reply #9 on:** May 22, 2006, 10:56:46 AM »

i have a 93 toy pick up with the 3.0 and i dont really like it. sucks gas and doesnt prduce enough power for the gas its sucks. my 83 22r rock crawler gets better gas mileage. thats sad.

furrballs95 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 22, 2006, 11:23:57 AM »

the only reason my page says that is because the head gaskets went on my 91 and then my 95. soo i kinda pissed me off the motor isn't a bad motor if you take of it . but the head gaskets are the the only downfall of the motor. but now since i got them fixed the motor runs really strong i pull 80 mph down the highway no problem and i don,t understand why everyone says the 22re is sooo much better of a motor my friend be going on his third rebuild in the last year for his 22re. the 3.0 may not be the best motor out there but i can definitly hold it own on the trail. i'm not really shure how much the motor has inproved over the 88 because all of my buddys have 90 and up toyotas.

Quote from: MUDDONKEY on May 22, 2006, 09:44:47 AM

is the 95' 3.0 improved over the 88' furrball your page says "head gasket eater" yet you still like the 3.0?? how often does it eat? any other problems with the motor come up regularly?

Quote from: MUDDONKEY on May 22, 2006, 09:44:47 AM

is the 95' 3.0 improved over the 88' furrball your page says "head gasket eater" yet you still like the 3.0?? how often does it eat? any other problems with the motor come up regularly?

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #11 on:** May 22, 2006, 12:25:16 PM »

Usually when the 3.0 has less power than the 22re it means something is wrong with the 3.0. Most of the time it is a head gasket with loss of power. My brother had a 3.0 that would stomp my 22ret, that is until at some point he had a loss in power. Could not figure it out but did notice coolant was disapearing from the reserve tank. Turns out the head gasket had a very small leak and notched the deck, Toyota gave him a whole new engine thank you very much.

4rox · « **Reply #12 on:** May 22, 2006, 01:34:23 PM »

Quote from: MUDDONKEY on May 15, 2006, 05:45:00 PM

I HAVE A 22R IN MY 85, I FOUND A 3.0 FOURUNNER W/ (sorry) the 3.0. w/ 150,000 miles. i love my 22r, can i expect long life and durability out of the 3.0? is it an easy swap over to a 22r(i have acces to one) any info please!!

The 3.0 is alright for stock applications but for what we like to do ,it just can't take the abuse.I rebuilt mine in my 89 4runner.I'll never do that again!!!In my 94 ext cab,I went smallblock.For the price of a headgasket job you can get a brand new 350 imo.

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #13 on:** May 22, 2006, 01:41:53 PM »

Quote from: 4rox on May 22, 2006, 01:34:23 PM

The 3.0 is alright for stock applications but for what we like to do ,it just can't take the abuse.I rebuilt mine in my 89 4runner.I'll never do that again!!!In my 94 ext cab,I went smallblock.For the price of a headgasket job you can get a brand new 350 imo.

Engine swaps are a PITA in Cali, all kinds of hoops to jump through. In the end if you keep the vehicle it is worth the trouble but if you don't keep the truck, you just wasted all the time and effort to make it legal. I've got a 22r conversion and left the 20r head and carb on with all the smog for the 20r so it sneaks through

the day a smart tech catches it though he'll

for it.

toyotajoe35 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2006, 01:44:03 PM »

3.0 are great engines if you fix the weak points. i am in the process of rebuilding my 3.0 and am going to use D.O.A's head studs and have them rebuild and balance my injectors and bore my throtle body and i should never have a problem with blowing a head gasket again. im also thinking about doing downey headers and i should then be pushing about 200 hp when all is said and done with my motor. there is no way a stock 22re can keep up with a 3vze be cause the 22re has 105 hp and 137 lbft and the 3vze has 150 hp and 180 lbft. no way can a 22re touch a 3vze unless it totally raced out and has thousands of dollars in equipment.

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2006, 01:46:36 PM »

Totally agree, if it wasn't for that headgasket issue Toyota would of had another winner just like the 22r's.

toyotajoe35 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 22, 2006, 01:47:20 PM »

you cant do a 350sb conversion for the price to fix the head gasket on a 3.0

4rox · « **Reply #17 on:** May 22, 2006, 02:29:40 PM »

Quote from: toyotajoe35 on May 22, 2006, 01:47:20 PM

you cant do a 350sb conversion for the price to fix the head gasket on a 3.0

I did!!!A head gasket job is at least $1200.00.Most of it in labor.I did my sbc for around $1100.00 give or take.Everything is a lot less complex as the 3.0.No vacuum lines ,$200.00 gasket set,etc,etc,etc...
I had a friend who blew two sets of head gaskets within 2 yrs of each other.Most of the stuff I used I refurbished which saved alot of money.

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #18 on:** May 22, 2006, 05:13:55 PM »

Quote from: 4rox on May 22, 2006, 01:34:23 PM

The 3.0 is alright for stock applications but for what we like to do ,it just can't take the abuse.I rebuilt mine in my 89 4runner.I'll never do that again!!!In my 94 ext cab,I went smallblock.For the price of a headgasket job you can get a brand new 350 imo.

I beg to differ

I've hammered all of my motors pretty hard, and while two of the three have gone out, they've never left me stranded. When the piston rings went on my second motor, I still drove it around for about 2 mos. before I put in the new motor, and I went through the 'con with it. All of the wheelin I have done has been with no crawler, and IFS, so My motors get beat to hell and back.

Quote from: furrballs95 on May 22, 2006, 11:23:57 AM

the 3.0 may not be the best motor out there but i can definitly hold it own on the trail. i'm not really shure how much the motor has inproved over the 88 because all of my buddys have 90 and up toyotas.

The motor hasn't changed a bit

I've had a 91 motor in my truck, an 89 and an 88. They're essentially the same, the 88 actually pulls the best

Quote from: Rocksurfer on May 22, 2006, 01:46:36 PM

Totally agree, if it wasn't for that headgasket issue Toyota would of had another winner just like the 22r's.

MUDDONKEY · « **Reply #19 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:00:21 PM »

AWESOME, NOW I'VE GOT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS PURCHASE . ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS A RECEIPT FROM A TOY DEALERSHIP FOR A BRAND NEW HEAD GFASKET INSTALL!!!

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #20 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:15:43 PM »

Quote from: MUDDONKEY on May 22, 2006, 08:00:21 PM

AWESOME, NOW I'VE GOT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS PURCHASE . ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS A RECEIPT FROM A TOY DEALERSHIP FOR A BRAND NEW HEAD GFASKET INSTALL!!!

The problem with the original hg was they were too thin, so if you have a new one it should be the better set.

boggerunner · « **Reply #21 on:** May 23, 2006, 09:19:12 AM »

i ditched my 90 3.0 for a 93 22re, cause i like having dual cases without an extra adapter from tranny to tcase , and the v6 sux to work on, and maintence is higher

BLACKDOG · « **Reply #22 on:** May 23, 2006, 06:50:44 PM »

Quote from: boggerrunner on May 23, 2006, 09:19:12 AM

i ditched my 90 3.0 for a 93 22re, cause i like having dual cases without an extra adapter from tranny to tcase , and the v6 sux to work on, and maintence is higher

I kept my 3.0 because I couldn't afford to do anything else at the time. Once this stops being my daily driver, and I've got some more $$ to throw into it, I'm going to be looking at either a 3.4 or a 4.3, dunno which one yet. Really depends on whther I stay in the smog restriction happy state of CA or not

mudguts · « **Reply #23 on:** May 23, 2006, 07:21:19 PM »

My 88 Runner did me well. Yeah, it lacked muscle , but it gave me 278k miles before I sold it in 2004. The headgaskets were changed under recall in 90. Aside from starter brushes and timing belts, it ran flawless. BTW, it was getting between 18 and 20 mpg at 55 mph on the highway. My 22R gets between 12 and 15 mpg.

82toyotakid · « **Reply #24 on:** May 24, 2006, 01:03:17 PM »

is a 22r a good motor or should i put a v6 in it? let meknow please or is the v6 a piece

MUDDONKEY · « **Reply #25 on:** May 24, 2006, 05:24:05 PM »

Quote from: 82toyotakid on May 24, 2006, 01:03:17 PM

is a 22r a good motor or should i put a v6 in it? let meknow please or is the v6 a piece

READ ABOVE

Plowking · « **Reply #26 on:** May 26, 2006, 07:14:37 PM »

On the long haul the 22r-RE motors are a trouble free motor, the 3.0 Is a potential head gasket eater and the gas milage is less than desirable. If you are looking to save a buck stick with your 22 whatever, if you have money burning a hole in your pocket go for the 3.0!!!

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