i just formed a square box and then poured 70.00$ worth of concrete in my back yard. it's about 4 foot by 5foot and 4 1/2 inches thick a couple short sticks of rebar and then finished it off. looks great but gonna wait for a good cure time before putting the pressure of a bender to it. i can't hardly wait. i hope that helps you out. no pictures of it yet. to lazy.