Author Topic: TWISTEDTOYS 92 SAS-->7MGTE/R151F SWAP and FJZ80's in the works (Read 145649 times)

GrenadedToy · « **Reply #660 on:** Dec 26, 2009, 01:28:55 PM »

Maybe you could get away with a w56 since your running non turbo? then all you would need is a 5m bellhousing, bolts in $Beer Chug\'n$

THK Matt · « **Reply #661 on:** Dec 26, 2009, 02:16:37 PM »

Quote from: GrenadedToy on Dec 26, 2009, 01:28:55 PM

Maybe you could get away with a w56 since your running non turbo? then all you would need is a 5m bellhousing, bolts in $Beer Chug\'n$

Yeah..... the N/As ran a W58 (my soupy has one)

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #662 on:** Dec 26, 2009, 09:57:42 PM »

hmmmm.... i'd like a 23 spline through out the rig though...... and i'm pumpin it up, might be getn a turbo

THK Matt · « **Reply #663 on:** Dec 26, 2009, 10:06:18 PM »

Quote from: twistedtoy92 on Dec 26, 2009, 09:57:42 PM

hmmmm.... i'd like a 23 spline through out the rig though...... and i'm pumpin it up, might be getn a turbo

converting those N/A 7M's to turbo is more costly then slightly modding a GTE

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #664 on:** Dec 26, 2009, 10:10:20 PM »

flopp it then...... N/A it is....... I want a R151F though.....

GrenadedToy · « **Reply #665 on:** Dec 26, 2009, 11:48:49 PM »

Id say stay N/A. more reliable more a wheeler. But I know what ya mean, turbos are sick.

Also if you have the money, go r151f.
I would imagine blowing up trannies (w56) isnt too much fun.
You figure a tranny made to withstand 100 hp, probably wont last too long with high miles and double the hp.

Minitrucks shoulda just came with 7m's from the factory!

THK Matt · « **Reply #666 on:** Dec 27, 2009, 12:44:27 AM »

twisted.... ive had a line a on R151F for several months... with a tcase i believe..... he wants $400... but idk if its worth that

He is in Spokane, WA Area.

I can contact him and see if he is still interested in selling it or if he has decided to keep it for a build.

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #667 on:** Jan 04, 2010, 02:15:59 PM »

Question: Do the N/A have piston coolers??

My buddy told me that he believes I have a Turbo block... and he has a turbo, computer, exhaust manifold, full intake, injectors, AFM, timing cover, blah blah blah... all the goodies minus a wiring harness which I still have to source! so I might be going turbo if thats the case. :biggthumpup:I'm thinking about trading him one of my solid axles, hysteer, and a few other nicnacs for ALL of his supra parts including a W58 and automatic trans with computer...... WHAT TO DO???

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #668 on:** Jan 04, 2010, 02:16:30 PM »

Quote from: THK90 on Dec 27, 2009, 12:44:27 AM

twisted.... ive had a line a on R151F for several months... with a tcase i believe..... he wants $400... but idk if its worth that

He is in Spokane, WA Area.

I can contact him and see if he is still interested in selling it or if he has decided to keep it for a build.

If its in good shape then I want it!

GrenadedToy · « **Reply #669 on:** Jan 04, 2010, 03:31:44 PM »

Get this bellhousing and your r151 will bolt to your 7m block.

http://www.monster-performance.com/modules/shop/product_info.php?products_id=32

cheaper than a 4.3 coversion bellhousing

THK Matt · « **Reply #670 on:** Jan 04, 2010, 09:35:59 PM »

Quote from: twistedtoy92 on Jan 04, 2010, 02:16:30 PM

If its in good shape then I want it!

I'll contact the guy for you!!!!

89sastoyo · « **Reply #671 on:** Jan 06, 2010, 07:08:46 PM »

ever find out if it was a turb block?

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #672 on:** Jan 06, 2010, 09:22:14 PM »

sure as hell..... IVE GOT A 7MGTE!!!!!

dniel · « **Reply #673 on:** Jan 07, 2010, 12:08:30 AM »

I'd like to throw in my

before you throw down cash on that tranny. I don't think there is any easy way to bolt that up to a 7m. You should look into the availability of that conversion bellhousing before you count on that. That site has been up for a long time and the bell housing were never actually for sale as far as I know. The guy who was supposed to cast those had problems and I don't think he ever got them produced. He used to do cut and weld bell housings so that might be an option. He is suprarunner over on pirate. He also has a sight supracharged which will be a big help to you doing this swap.

The cheapest and simplest way would be to run a w56. They are pretty strong and should hold up if you don't soup up the motor to much. The 7m is not a low end torque monster which is what breaks things. Put 23 spline in the rear case and a longfield output and you should be good to go. I had a 7m n/a in my 4runner for two years and it was a fun motor. More low end than a 22r and it really shined pulling hills on the freeway.

If you run your rad. up front try to space it out from the front of the motor and run a pulling fan. I fit mine inside the stock sheet metal with two pusher fans on the outside. It was fine 95% of the time but on long slow hill climbs it would start to heat up. I think the problem was with the rad. right against the motor there was no where for the air to flow no matter how big of fans you have.

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #674 on:** Jan 07, 2010, 10:22:14 AM »

Thanks, I appreciate your advice! I still need to do ALOT of research on this one as it is my first time messing with any M series.....

I believe Pumkin Toy is runnin an R151F?

THK Matt · « **Reply #675 on:** Jan 07, 2010, 11:25:47 AM »

Quote from: twistedtoy92 on Jan 07, 2010, 10:22:14 AM

Thanks, I appreciate your advice! I still need to do ALOT of research on this one as it is my first time messing with any M series.....

I believe Pumkin Toy is runnin an R151F?

Correct Sir.

dniel · « **Reply #676 on:** Jan 07, 2010, 11:27:53 AM »

If he is see if you can find out how it was done. I did this swap three or so years ago so there might be new ways to go about it. The problem is the difference in the input length. The early 4x4 r series have a 6.5" input and the supra r154 has a 7.5" input.

There are a couple ways of dealing with this. You can cut and weld a bell housing to make it the right length. You can also install the guts of a r154 in a 4x4 r tranny. The down side of this is you have to tear down both trannys and my understanding is you cannot keep the low first gear from the turbo tranny. There is a guy on pirate who went this route successfully.

There might be a third option. The newer r150s in the 95+ tacomas and 4runners had a ruffly 7" input. It might be possible to use one of these with a r154 bellhousing with a bit milled off both flanges. The down side of this is it has a chain driven case and would need an adapter to use gear drive. It would allow you to run 23 spline in the front case.

Here is a pic. of a 4x4 tranny with r154 input and bellhousing. From 81snowtoys build thread on PBB.

Welded bell housing from Bigtoy302 on pbb

I'm not saying the r series isn't better I'm just not sure it's worth the extra trouble and cost.

THK Matt · « **Reply #677 on:** Jan 07, 2010, 11:33:20 AM »

Hey TT, u have the FJ80 alxes yet? and how much u pay on it?

pumkin toy · « **Reply #678 on:** Jan 07, 2010, 08:52:23 PM »

Quote from: twistedtoy92 on Jan 07, 2010, 10:22:14 AM

Thanks, I appreciate your advice! I still need to do ALOT of research on this one as it is my first time messing with any M series.....

I believe Pumkin Toy is runnin an R151F?

yeah i'm pretty sure the BoostedRunner is rockin an R151f considering i have 23 spline cases. do you guys know exactly what markings i can look for to make sure its an R151f?

89sastoyo · « **Reply #679 on:** Jan 08, 2010, 02:57:15 AM »

damn sounds like a lot of time and money is gonna end up in this swap but should be dope.

And boosted toy/pumpkin runner haha, don't know what to call you now I hate not talking to people by there names but anywyas haha, Can't you ask the guy you got it from how he did it isn't he on the forum?

dniel · « **Reply #680 on:** Jan 08, 2010, 12:00:08 PM »

The r series has a lot deeper waffles on the forward section. It is also bigger around than a w or g series. If you have a r series and a gear driven case with no adapter on the back of the tranny it is an r151 or at a least has an r151 tail housing.

If it is an R the thing that would help this guy the most is to check out your bell housing and see how they made that work.

GrenadedToy · « **Reply #681 on:** Jan 08, 2010, 05:43:38 PM »

Id say just go w56 with w58 bellhousing, and 5m motor mount rubbers. cheap, simple, and will last a little while Im sure if you arent balls to the wall all the time. Maybe don't build your motor for a bunch of power so your tranny survives? Unless you got the money for an R series trans, go for it.

89sastoyo · « **Reply #682 on:** Jan 09, 2010, 01:31:32 AM »

agreed Imean honestly the cases are going to go before the tranny right?

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #683 on:** Jan 09, 2010, 10:53:38 AM »

Well I'd like to build it up to hold up to some SERIOUS wheelin..... I have 3 w56's lying around so.... the w series would be simple and CHEAP.... BUT I want to run 23 splines in both cases.... thats the only deal.... so if it comes down to cutting and welding a bellhousing then so be it... Its not like I am in a hurry to build this, I want it done right and its going to be at LEAST a year before this thing runs... I still have to source my axles (trading an 85 front for turbo/computer/blahblahblah) so I just need to clean up on parts to fund the build! I will be posting up a sale on a few things like trannys and cases and what not once I get stuff more organized. just got into another house and we have to remodel a bunch of

so time is alittle scarce...

Keep the info coming! $Beer Chug\'n$

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #684 on:** Apr 25, 2010, 03:28:45 PM »

Still here.... just been sittin in bay number 5 of the shop...... hopefully after I get my bosses engine finished and out of here I can get the cab off of the 92 and weld the 85 front frame onto it!!!! In the mean time I am just keeping an eye out for a Supra with a 5 speed to strip for the project..... $Beer Chug\'n$

swapped89 · « **Reply #685 on:** Jul 10, 2010, 01:51:53 AM »

Sounds like you got a pretty sweet build planned out.

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #686 on:** Jul 10, 2010, 09:42:09 AM »

Yeah... Just gonna take a while!

yota4x4sc · « **Reply #687 on:** Oct 08, 2010, 10:35:57 PM »

lookin sick!! i hate how those trial gear dif covers dont fit..u gotta make like 3 passes over them to fill it all

twistedtoy92 · « **Reply #688 on:** Oct 10, 2010, 10:55:30 PM »

yup... its getn the fj80 axles though so itll all be custom except for steering arms...

THK Matt · « **Reply #689 on:** Oct 11, 2010, 05:42:32 AM »

Quote from: twistedtoy92 on Oct 10, 2010, 10:55:30 PM

yup... its getn the fj80 axles though so itll all be custom except for steering arms...

if you go 93-97 year model for the FJ80 axles... you will need 16in or larger on wheels as they use slightly larger brakes on those years. just though id throw that out there.


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