Lockers

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blackdiamond

Quote from: Mudder on May 24, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Blackdiamond, how much does your 4runner weigh? I've been reading into the debate on selectable verses non-selectable.

I don't honestly know, but based on the curb weight I would guess under 3,500 lbs. I have larger tires, an extra t-case, bumpers, sliders, crossmember, winch with rope, and not much else.
1989 4Runner: Dual Ultimate (Inchworm front & Marlin 4.70 rear), Marlin Twin Stick, 1200-lb clutch, 4.88 R&P, Aussie Front, Detroit rear, 30-spline Longs, Long hub gears, ARP hub and knuckle studs & 35x12.50 Cooper STT PRO tires.  Marlin rear bumper & sliders.  FROR front bumper.  SAS with Alcan springs & Rancho 9000XL shocks.  Budbuilt Bolt-on traction bar.  Custom Interior Cage by Those Guys Rod and Customs.

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Rockcrawlintoy

Quote from: Mudder on May 24, 2016, 03:31:28 PM
In regard to ARB's, I've heard that you have to run a good gear oil with them and zero water can get in the diff. If it does you need to change the oil ASAP and you should be good to go for a long time. An also to make sure your beather isn't plugged. Not saying problems can't arise, as with anything it can fail but that taking care of it is essential.

I ran cheap gear oil and changed it once after break in for 10 years. Only changed it after a seal finally failed after the truck sat for a year and a half. I will be running decent oil in my new ones here in a few months. We will see how it goes
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Snowtoy

Quote from: Mudder on May 24, 2016, 03:31:28 PM
In regard to ARB's, I've heard that you have to run a good gear oil with them and zero water can get in the diff. If it does you need to change the oil ASAP and you should be good to go for a long time. An also to make sure your beather isn't plugged. Not saying problems can't arise, as with anything it can fail but that taking care of it is essential.

Should never run cheap gear oil, but it isn't like you have to spring for royal purple or other synthetic diff oil.

If you run breather lines, something all trail rigs should have, you should never get any water into the diff

Quote from: Mudder on May 24, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Blackdiamond, how much does your 4runner weigh? I've been reading into the debate on selectable verses non-selectable.

Not aware of the weight being part of the debate, what are the issues?
'90 black X-cab mod'd 3.0, 33's/4.88's, rear ARB, custom bumpers, sliders, safari rack, etc.
'91 Blue X-cab 22re, 35's/5.29's,Truetrac front, ARB rear, dual cases, and custom Safari flatbed, bumper, interior.
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Willard

Quote from: SqWADoosh on May 24, 2016, 07:02:01 AM
It is fascinating to me the amount of people who are happy with their Truetracs. I wonder if it is people who have never experienced a real locker before?  :dunno: I hated my Truetrac and advise people against them all the time. For the money you could get so many better options.
I had a Detroit in my first truck with arb front and it worked great. Love having a full locker. But it also depends alot on how your suspension works. If your pulling tires off the ground all the time then yes the Tru Trac may not engage the way you want, but I hardly pull a tire off the ground and with duals I hardly even use my front locker. Thing does amazing, but I will say my Tru Trac has slipped up a few times. I just got my hands on a 14 bolt and will be installing an arb for sure in the rear, but I will recommend a Tru Trac to people depending on application and use  :thumbs:
90'4runner......lots of goodies.

Mudder

Quote from: Snowtoy on May 24, 2016, 09:54:50 PM
Not aware of the weight being part of the debate, what are the issues?

Oh it just seemed like when people mentioned that they run auto lockers the ones with a heavier rig didn'tond them as much in bad weather. At least that's what I gathered

blackdiamond

Quote from: Mudder on May 25, 2016, 06:17:23 AM
Oh it just seemed like when people mentioned that they run auto lockers the ones with a heavier rig didn'tond them as much in bad weather. At least that's what I gathered

I think the key to a street driven automatic lockers is being smooth. There is definitely more play between the drive and coast side of things and it's a more forceful transition. More weight and an automatic transmission both have potential to soften the transitions.  If you can't drive smoothly then an automatic locker may not be a good choice.
1989 4Runner: Dual Ultimate (Inchworm front & Marlin 4.70 rear), Marlin Twin Stick, 1200-lb clutch, 4.88 R&P, Aussie Front, Detroit rear, 30-spline Longs, Long hub gears, ARP hub and knuckle studs & 35x12.50 Cooper STT PRO tires.  Marlin rear bumper & sliders.  FROR front bumper.  SAS with Alcan springs & Rancho 9000XL shocks.  Budbuilt Bolt-on traction bar.  Custom Interior Cage by Those Guys Rod and Customs.

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Rockcrawlintoy

Quote from: Snowtoy on May 24, 2016, 09:54:50 PM
Should never run cheap gear oil, but it isn't like you have to spring for royal purple or other synthetic diff oil

It was just the sta-lube gear oil. Ran it for years with no issues
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Snowtoy

Quote from: RockcrawlinJK on May 25, 2016, 09:18:44 AM
It was just the sta-lube gear oil. Ran it for years with no issues
Didn't think sta-lube was considered cheap, :dunno:  I think the last stuff I used was valvoline.

'90 black X-cab mod'd 3.0, 33's/4.88's, rear ARB, custom bumpers, sliders, safari rack, etc.
'91 Blue X-cab 22re, 35's/5.29's,Truetrac front, ARB rear, dual cases, and custom Safari flatbed, bumper, interior.
The money pit '87 Supra resto/mod

H8PVMNT

Sta-Lube containers look rather generic but I think it's pretty good stuff.  Not real cheap.  My old timer parts guy swears by it.  I got the GL-4 for my trans and t-case this year. I was going to get redline but my guy couldn't order it.  Trans shifts nicer and is quitter than the GL-5 I had in there, so the Sta-Lube must be better than average anyway.
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blackdiamond

Quote from: H8PVMNT on May 26, 2016, 01:10:55 PM
Sta-Lube containers look rather generic but I think it's pretty good stuff.  Not real cheap.  My old timer parts guy swears by it.  I got the GL-4 for my trans and t-case this year. I was going to get redline but my guy couldn't order it.  Trans shifts nicer and is quitter than the GL-5 I had in there, so the Sta-Lube must be better than average anyway.

I would guess the GL-4 stuff should perform great in the transmission.
1989 4Runner: Dual Ultimate (Inchworm front & Marlin 4.70 rear), Marlin Twin Stick, 1200-lb clutch, 4.88 R&P, Aussie Front, Detroit rear, 30-spline Longs, Long hub gears, ARP hub and knuckle studs & 35x12.50 Cooper STT PRO tires.  Marlin rear bumper & sliders.  FROR front bumper.  SAS with Alcan springs & Rancho 9000XL shocks.  Budbuilt Bolt-on traction bar.  Custom Interior Cage by Those Guys Rod and Customs.

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