Author Topic: At what point do you need Hi-steer? (Read 1908 times)

thetasmaniandevil · « **on:** Oct 02, 2011, 06:05:19 PM »

I totally understand that Hi-Steer is pretty much an all-win proposition, however, at this point I won't be doing it as I currently can't pull the truck off the road that long.

What I want to know is if the stock steering setup will ~~work~~ function with 3" lift springs and 2" extended shackles? What's about the limit?

Here in Australia everything is 2" lift (or custom, apart from EFS 3" springs), and with the possibility of having to get springs ex-USA, I don't want to be hunting around for more parts when they get here.

Also any recommendations on springs? Its an 18R petrol, so not a lot of weight in the nose (will get a fairly weight conscious tube bar and 9000lb'er china winch soon though*) and won't be carrying anything heavier than mountainbikes or overnight gear in the back, so I'm quite happy to go for softish springs.

*although at that point I plan to shift the battery to the bed to offset somewhat. I do like that it is light (just a shade over 3000lbs as is), and I don't plan to load it up with armor or recovery gear any more than necessary.

Sparkplug · « **Reply #1 on:** Oct 02, 2011, 06:13:11 PM »

I get rid of the stock pushpull before I wheel it a all. I hurt my wrist bad before because of it.

It wont steer very well when its flexed out, and if you push it to its limits, its gonna break. Even with no lift, id go with highsteer

thetasmaniandevil [OP] · « **Reply #2 on:** Oct 02, 2011, 07:09:19 PM »

I get that. I want to know at which point a lift will force going to hi-steer.

zembalayan · « **Reply #3 on:** Oct 02, 2011, 07:14:01 PM »

Don't lift the truck more than 2"; trim instead of lifting for bigger tires; then carry a complete set of stock push pull steering system components as spares, but maybe get a Marlink; then wheel the one that's installed on your truck until it breaks, and instal the spares then to keep you on the road; then consider getting a hi-steer at that time since you know you actually need it then.

TacoRunner · « **Reply #4 on:** Oct 02, 2011, 08:43:20 PM »

Its been a while for me since I had a push and pull set up but from what I remember you need to make the switch when you have to much articulation for your steering. Lift amount does matter too. So like others have said, carry a spare. When it breaks the first time. The you know you need to upgrade.

79coyotefrg · « **Reply #5 on:** Oct 02, 2011, 09:36:04 PM »

I wheeled my truck for years with the stock steering. DO NOT WELD ON THE STEERING PARTS. thats the trick to them not breaking.

3 inches of suspension lift is about the max on the stock steering. After that the geometry is pushing limits.

be advised, I always carried spares and tools to install them

brainlessfool · « **Reply #6 on:** Oct 02, 2011, 09:44:31 PM »

I've run 3" springs and 2" shackles with the stock set-up.
worked ok untill I put on a cab-over camper on. had to drop the shackles.
with that much lift a little body roll makes life intresting.

(with stock steering)

Monster Yota · « **Reply #7 on:** Oct 03, 2011, 12:52:27 PM »

Hi steer is so cheap this day and age just do it right the first time!

Years ago when I put together my first highsteer set up I paid almost $900 for it....

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