Topic: backwards oil pan no go high steer HELP

[minicrawlin]

ok, i may have been working 60 plus hour weeks for a while now and staying up till 2 am working on my truck, but this cant be right! I cant install my high steer because for whatever reason its like this. maybe its a race engine ha ha Seriously though i cant find any info on this and all references for it show the drop and oil sump in the back but mines in the front, makes no sense at all! help if you know something i dont! i cant just switch pans out cuz the oil sump hangs way down. only thought would be custom tube to back or something. i dunno, i'm lost help! ha ha

[THK Matt]

if its not the original engine... you may have a Celica engine. as those 22R/REs are front sump.

[minicrawlin [OP]]

AHHHHH seriously?         thats what i was kinda wondering, but figured they'd be same design maybe but possibly not, but that engine rips so maybe! do they got more uumph or something         ha ha
Not sure of engine to be honest but call PO tomorrow i suppose. . . . . . celica engine!!?     

this sucks dude!

[THK Matt]

AHHHHH seriously?         thats what i was kinda wondering, but figured they'd be same design maybe but possibly not, but that engine rips so maybe! do they got more uumph or something        ha ha
Not sure of engine to be honest but call PO tomorrow i suppose. . . . . . celica engine!!?      

this sucks dude!

Personally, I haven't read much on the Celica versions but i'm pretty sure the only difference is the oil pickup and pan, might be a different compression ratio.... but i doubt it. keep in mind they were little 2wd tin cans. so less wear n tear on them, in theory.

so if its not rebuilt, its probably just not as worn as on from a 4wd would be. just my thought.
but yes it sounds like u got a Celica version. look for a 4wd pan and oil pickup.

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I'm pretty sure its a celica motor also. Could be as simple as swaping the oil pickup but I'm not to into these 20r/22r/e motors quite yet. I'll let some one else chime in probably glen will tomorrow.

[THK Matt]

I'm pretty sure its a celica motor also. Could be as simple as swaping the oil pickup but I'm not to into these 20r/22r/e motors quite yet. I'll let some one else chime in probably glen will tomorrow.

Glen will have a definate answer for you pretty knowledgeable on the 20R/22R/RE's

[minicrawlin [OP]]

but i cant move the pickup to the back, it's not interchangable on the block or anything. that was my first thought though!

guess i'll just wait for Glen then ha ha WAKE UP GLEN, get on MC dammit! ha ha

[SFD4x4]

The pick up tube on a 22r attaches at the same area as that motor, it is just longer then that one.  It runs the length of the engine and then drops down in the back.  You can probably switch the pickup tube and pan. Just make sure the pan has the same bolt pattern and same size.

[minicrawlin [OP]]

oh alright i get what you guys are saying. so it's all the same just different tube design? i was actually thinking about just welding some tube and making my own and flipping the pan around when this all started and i was staring at it with the anger of a lynch mob sipping my red bull, but the welds would fail then my engine would look like your avatar picture SFD4x4!! ha ha
seriously though thanks for the input guys!

[emsvitil]

I don't think the pan is reversible......

Take a look at the oil pan gasket


BTW, 20r and 22r's have the same oil pan gasket, so all pans are interchangeable with the correct oil pickup.

[minicrawlin [OP]]

does anyone know if the 22RE have the same oil pickup as the 22R? i would assume so but i'm not sure and you know what happens when you assume, you make an          out of U and ME ha ha

[junya92toy]

Why dont you try a different pitman arm?

[twistedtoy92]

does anyone know if the 22RE have the same oil pickup as the 22R? i would assume so but i'm not sure and you know what happens when you assume, you make an          out of U and ME ha ha

Yep, they are identical! just get yourself a 22r or 22re 4x4 oil pan and pickup tube!  I had that same problem with a 20r celica engine in my 84 reg cab.... my axle was moved way forward and I only had push pull..... climbing my oil would all run to the back of the pan and starve for oil.... it was gay

[unclejpl4x4]

my 93 22re  the oil pickup tube  bolts to the front then runs to the back and drops down, rear sump

[-Jake-]

Why dont you try a different pitman arm?

I'm pretty sure his tie rod will hit the gigantic hump in the front of his oil pan there

[minicrawlin [OP]]

Yep, they are identical! just get yourself a 22r or 22re 4x4 oil pan and pickup tube!  I had that same problem with a 20r celica engine in my 84 reg cab.... my axle was moved way forward and I only had push pull..... climbing my oil would all run to the back of the pan and starve for oil.... it was gay

whats with puttin celicas in the pickups!!?        thats nuts, but she runs like a raped ape so i cant complain i suppose!  
starving for oil is pretty gay!       good to know that i'm not the only one that has a celica race engine in his truck man! ha ha

[minicrawlin [OP]]

my 93 22re  the oil pickup tube  bolts to the front then runs to the back and drops down, rear sump

nice man thats what i need to know!! thanks   

[minicrawlin [OP]]

I'm pretty sure his tie rod will hit the gigantic hump in the front of his oil pan there

ya c'mon jerry92toy get it together man! you gotta bring your "A" game!    

ha ha that was my first thought actually, then the light went off! BAM thanks for your input though man!  

[minicrawlin [OP]]

so now i'm wondering what happens to the dip stick when this happens? do i just loose it and base my oil level off of my usual leak rate of 0.7 of a quart per month or what? ha ha
seriously though what did you do about that TWISTEDTOY92? any info on that?

[mrdoug]

get a dip stick that matches the oil pan?

Changing oil pans from front sump to rear sump is common with the 3.4 swaps. Once you track down the part numbers, it's super simple to swap it over. I'm not sure if more or less is involved with a 22r motor. On the 5vz, you swap oil pickup tube, oil pan and dip stick, and on certain motors, you have to redrill the dip stick hole.

[79coyotefrg]

ok, somebody should have pm'ed me earlier

yes its a Celica motor, all you need to do is get a rear sump oil pan from a 4wd and the matching pickup tube, it will bolt right in no problems,  OH  and you dont need to find another dip stick they are the same.

[79coyotefrg]

OH, and you can get the pan and oil pump from any 20R 22R or 22RE from 75 to 95

[THK Matt]

ok, somebody should have pm'ed me earlier

yes its a Celica motor, all you need to do is get a rear sump oil pan from a 4wd and the matching pickup tube, it will bolt right in no problems,  OH  and you dont need to find another dip stick they are the same.

OH, and you can get the pan and oil pump from any 20R 22R or 22RE from 75 to 95

The 4cylinder king chimes in 

[gtoyonrocks]

I thought that was the case, no I know...

[79coyotefrg]

the 4wd pickup tube will have a long bolt that attaches it to the center main bearing cap, dont forget to get that bolt when you get the pickup tube

[Beateryota666]

all the 20r/22r pans and pickups ive seen and dealt with are interchangable.make sure that you pull the hardware that came stock with whatever setup because of variations in how and where in attaches to the main caps

[minicrawlin [OP]]

It was a direct bolt on, dipstick worked in original posistion and everything worked out great as far as that goes! thanks to my buddy nitekrawler for hooking it up with the pan and pickup and to pumpkintoy for the help and thank all you guys for the input!! it was very helpful!    

[THK Matt]

congrats on the quick fix!!

and nice comparison pic.