New Toyota Dana 60 - A Hybrid like no-other!

[PAToyota]

I am just getting into looking for replacement axles for my Toy, so forgive me if I am asking obvious questions.

I understand the benefits of the Dana 60 axle, but how does the Toyota centersection stack up to the other components in this axle.  Doesn't it become the weak link?  If so, how weak?  I have heard that the Toyota axle is in the same ballpark as the Ford 9" and the Dana 44 (depending on who you are talking to).

Thanks for helping me to learn.

[crawling82]

Well the toy V6 is about as strong as the dana44 3rd member you could run a dana44 with warn shaft's ctm's but you would still have the weak steering knuckels.  Plus it's really nice to have drop in 3rd members. The dana 60 3rd members are a lot srtonger but you will drag them on every rock which really sucks.  I'm going to be running the toy 60 with the chromoly shaft's with 60 ctm's so my weak link is going to be the toy hubs.

[Brandon]

I have personally busted WARN premium hubs but I have NEVER seen anyone bust an aisin toyota hub - I think they are pretty stout?

[PAToyota]

I guess that is what I am getting at.

In previous comparisons between the Toy, 9", and Dana 44 it seemed that the axle shafts were similar and the centersection is what made (at least the 9") more stout -- that is, for a rear axle.  The weak point for the Toy front axle has been the birfs.

So with the Dana 60 hybrid, what is going to break?  The hubs (as Crawling82 states)?  The third member?  Something else -- driveshaft, etc?

Also, what would the logical replacement be for the rear axle if you go with this for the front?  Stick with the stock axle with a V6 third member?  Other options.

Thanks again for the info!

[crawling82]

I'm pretty sure the weak leak will be your toy hubs then I belive it will be either your 3rd or output shaft.  Not to many people brake 3rds and output shafts unless your rig is really heavy or your really getting it.

[cgbemis]

I was just currious when we were going to see the Toyota Dana 60 being mass produced, and available for sale to the general public? Do you guys already have them for sale?

[4xfusion]

I understand that the Carrier on the Toyota V6 is the same internally as on a Ford 8.8 and 9 inch. With 35 spline axles that only makes the R&P smaller in dia. But being curious the other day I mic'ed a set of 8.8 gears to a toy V6 and found the weakest part of a 8.8 was the outer bearing and pinion shaft dia.. I hear that is where the 8.8 is famous to break at. And when the highly tapered outer bearing wears out it takes out the teeth on the R&P on the 8.8 because of play in the pinion shaft. The Toyota pinion was a larger dia. than the Ford and the bearing was allot larger. The toyota bearing was almost the same as a DANA 60 outer pinion bearing. So I think there is allot of things to consider still when talking about comparison strengths between manufacturers. I don't think that a dana 44 can even hold a candle to the Toyota third member with these issues at question.

[rEdnECkwHeE1eR]

im wondering why use the toy outers, If its to save money youre already at $3000 are the toy outers stonger then D60
How would the Marlin d60 compare to the AllPro D60?

[BigMike]

I was just currious when we were going to see the Toyota Dana 60 being mass produced, and available for sale to the general public? Do you guys already have them for sale?

We actually have gone through a bit more of research and testing and are currently working with some newer and stronger axles (no we have not had any failuers yet). We have built and sold 3 complete Hybrids now, and have two in the making -- working with their axles. Dan is the man who is building each axle, and I believe it takes him a solid week to finish everything (build hybrid, HySteer, setup ring'n'pinion and 3rd member, etc. as they are normally built) so mass-production isnt really an option. Its more of a phone-in-your-order-and-let-us-build-it type deal. I think we currently have about 2 people waiting in line....

im wondering why use the toy outers, If its to save money youre already at $3000 are the toy outers stonger then D60
How would the Marlin d60 compare to the AllPro D60?

There are a number of good reasons why to use the factory outters. Aside from cost issues, Toyota hubs are much much less exposed to rocks from the inside of the wheel. That's one reason why Marlin hates warn hubs, they are very long and stick out into the rocks like a sore thumb. Also, you get to use your stock brake calipers which ensures your vehicle will not lose its brake balance, feel, or control. Also Toy hubs are quicker to change if broken. And here is a very good reason, you get to keep your wheels and tires!!! Remember, D60 hubs have different lug bolt count, size, pattern, diamater, etc and also the hub itself has a larger O.D. which would not fit in your wheels that you are currently running. So you would have to change both your front wheels if we were using D60 hubs and that's not too cool. Marlin is well known for keeping things stock while performing like and better than the aftermarkets best.
Now to discuss the money issue, by using stock Toy outters, we now can see you just a bare housing, the axles, and our special D60 knuckles and adapter plates all bolted up and ready for you to slap your outter pieces from your truck's current stock axle. So you and us dont have to pay for aftermarket brakes, different brake calipers, worse case changing brake master cylinder, and you dont have to get your tires remounted and rebalanced on some wheels that would be made for a D60's Hub size and bolt pattern....

If you ask me, I think it's awesome to see something stock from the outside and really kick some ass on the inside. Imagine pulling up some sharp rocks beating the hell out of your front end -- no longer worried about anything breaking -- while on-lookers see your stock hubs and wheels. Now imagine what they are thinking.. "this guys is a great driver" or "this rig is bullet proof". Now that's cool-

Regards,
BigMike

[SeaBass44]

the hub itself has a larger O.D. which would not fit in your wheels that you are currently running. So you would have to change both your front wheels if we were using D60 hubs and that's not too cool.

Regards,
BigMike

I'm 99% sure the toyota hub is bigger, that's why stock chevy rims don't fit a toyota, the hub hole is to small...I had some chevy rims opened up so I could use them, so have some friends. :.order: :.order:I wouldn't mind being a "tester" for one of these...........

[rEdnECkwHeE1eR]

:.order: :.order:I wouldn't mind being a "tester" for one of these...........

I can test that thing up good! :.order: :.order: :.order:

[toyoda]

SO WHEN¿¿¿ are you going to put some info on the main page??? Is it a secret now?   And does the regular hy-steer work with it?

[toyzilla]

So how have these axles been holding up?

[Big_John]

yes I know no one has said any thing about this for a long time  :sleeping:but I figured I would let you in on what is going on at crawlerville we ditched the toy outers and went with all d-60 except for the third member which is still toy  :up: now the axels are being made by moser :up: dont know about the price dif. we have also moved the gusset to the top (more ground clearince)  :up: :up: we also might start making some left hand drive for the tacos . we are hard at work :~~: trying to make these work better than the last ones (they leaked)  






also for the guys that dont want to have to go to the bank to put one of these in their truck  :idea:they can think about a product that we are working on   moser inners and marfilds By Bobby Long (strong enough for me)  :up:we still are working on prices  :smack:and testing them out , don't know if the berfields will handle the presure of MOSER behind them


 "hay put down that   and get back to work" just kiding    lol

[Paul_Elbisser]

So did they leak out the long side?

 Not sure if you thought of this yet but maybe a bushing or roller bearing for support so the axle doesn't get the wobble at the end.

[Big_John]

the problem is that toyota has the seals on the out side of the axle and the D-60 is on the in side toyota didnt care if the inside was a little off  :thud:were their seal was it would seal  :up:so we have had to cut off the hole tube  :~~:and start from just about scratch with these.

[LA_Fred]

Hey Big Mike,
what ever happened to the dana 60 hybrid concept?
Looks like it was disbanded?

best regards,
Fred

[yotaboy79]

yeah what happend ill be needing one soon id rather this than a dana 44

[KYOTA]

Go to All-Pro's site and buy Bundrants truggy, it has one. Only $22,500

[yotaboy79]

i think allpoo sells a dana 60 hibrid

[Skinny_Pedal]

none of those pictures worked for me

[SWAMPER]

Hey ok so how much does the hybrid weight, cost and please please a picture because none worked for me either 

[LA_Fred]

I think there are some advantages to the old marlin d60 hybrid over the Allpro one. With Marlin's you can use your standard toyota aisin hubs and disc brakes. The Allpro one uses different hubs and brake system. I'm not sure about the bolt pattern though.
Of course, not tthat I have any money for either one right now. Just something to drool over until I become rich!

best regards,
Fred

[To The Floor]

im pretty sure that prism was rocking out the original marlin d60 hybrid and he had some problems so stuck with the regular. i could be wrong though

[WHITE_TRASH]

Yup Prism had one of the 1st ones built.  As for buying Jon's rig, Id rather staple my junk to a pissed off bull than give him one red cent.

[SWAMPER]

So do they sell the hybrid anymore...or are they working on it to make it better or what

[sam2145871]

What ever happened with this?

[abnormaltoy]

What ever happened with this?

Longfields

I waited forever for the pics at the beginning of this thread to load...finally I looked at the date.

[sam2145871]

I know about longfields, but i just thought that this was unique and was wondering if they just scrapped it or what.

[THK Matt]

can someone redo the photos on here? id love to see what this axle looked like.