Topic: 22R Cheap Tweaks & Info

[THK Matt]

only one retarded here is you 

BTDC  is ADVANCED


cam timing is NEVER set to anything besides 0

thanks guys! What engine temps do most of you see with your 22r motors?  Im not looking for "my factory gauge reads half way"  Real temps from after market gauges, cause we all know how well toyota gauges work 

well most aftermarkets are 185-195* for thermostats, the stock OEM Toyota thermostats are 180*
now a cooloer engine performs much better and efficient, some people go a little hotter for winter, if their heater isnt as hot as they would like.

so im going to say 180* is warm idling temp.
as far as i understand from Toyota

[jimbo74]

now a cooloer engine performs much better and efficient, some people go a little hotter for winter, if their heater isnt as hot as they would like.

to a point, running a lower temp thermostat will not allow the engine to get warm enough and will kill the heater (cold heat) its a tossup to it runs better or not cooler.... because at cooler temperatures, it is supposed to be able to be advanced more without ping supposedly equalling more power, if so tuned....

i have a thread recently about using a higher pressure radiator cap and a lower temp thermostat.... look into that thread

[THK Matt [OP]]

i definately will, thanks Jim.

[emsvitil]

The stock temperature for my thermostat on my 86 is 190 not 180........

[THK Matt [OP]]

The stock temperature for my thermostat on my 86 is 190 not 180........

weird

[79coyotefrg]

The stock temperature for my thermostat on my 86 is 190 not 180........

22RE perhaps

[emsvitil]

22RE perhaps

The 22RE and 22R specs are the same

[jimbo74]

COMMIN @ CHA FROM THE FSM

[THK Matt [OP]]

COMMIN @ CHA FROM THE FSM

hmm.... well that darn parts guys needs to recheck his head.... darn guy.

thanks for that info

[kneedownnate]

now a cooloer engine performs much better and efficient, some people go a little hotter for winter, if their heater isnt as hot as they would like.

A hotter engine burns the fuel more completely and efficietnlty    I believe the current factory toy thermostats are 192 degree 

[THK Matt [OP]]

A hotter engine burns the fuel more completely and efficietnlty    I believe the current factory toy thermostats are 192 degree 

but not too hot, correct?

[toyotanner]

what if a motor never got hot enough to open the thermostat. do you think that could be bad thing??
not happening to me just wondering if it would be bad to not be circulating cause the truck doesnt get hot enough.

[THK Matt [OP]]

what if a motor never got hot enough to open the thermostat. do you think that could be bad thing??
not happening to me just wondering if it would be bad to not be circulating cause the truck doesnt get hot enough.

hmm never heard of that happen.... could be some problems goin on if it dont get hot enough.... or its not turned on

[8D3TOY]

A quick and cheapo way to get more airflow is to buy two air filters silicone them together then get a long enough bolt for the air cleaner lid.  I saw a noticable improvement in economy and performance.

[jimbo74]

A quick and cheapo way to get more airflow is to buy two air filters silicone them together then get a long enough bolt for the air cleaner lid.  I saw a noticable improvement in economy and performance.

or just buy the bigger filter to begin with and save the cost of silicone....



also, check these out:

http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=45702



HOT ENGINE OPERATIONS

[82 HiLux]

my stock carburetor was a piece of , so i got a weber 38 and eliminated ALL of the smog stuff and it runs AMAZING. but now it wont smog of course, good thing i dont care.  i did choose to run a cat on my full exhaust system, partially to keep it quieter and also just so it doesnt stink. 

[THK Matt [OP]]

im considering a weber soon as i have the money too, id like to clean up the vac lines and whatnot....
 but thats after i open up the exhaust. as i dont have smog on it, im in idaho... so yeah.
we'll see what this Aisin can do

[KDXSR5]

I have an LCE header into 2.25 exhaust, flowmaster 50 series muffler and no cat. It smells like a 4 stroke motocross dirtbike! It doesn't stink, I actually like the smell of it, but to each his own.

[THK Matt [OP]]

I have an LCE header into 2.25 exhaust, flowmaster 50 series muffler and no cat. It smells like a 4 stroke motocross dirtbike! It doesn't stink, I actually like the smell of it, but to each his own.

I will go Thorley Tri-Y, Magnaflow Cat, Magnaflow Turbo 6" oval with a short turn down after the axle. all 2.25 after the header. i dont like flowmasters

[jimbo74]

i have run magnaflow, jsut the cat and flowmaster.... flowmaster is what i am putting back on the truck.... the magnaflow sounded better though not by much, but i sold it a logn time ago when i needed money.... i love the open sound, but it is very loud and i need to put a muffler back on for smog

[THK Matt [OP]]

to me the flows have that tiny sound if not done right. and well i already have a magnaflow cat... so i dont wana mix it up. keep it all the same... besides the header.

open sound is sick for sure.

[KDXSR5]

mine has that tinny sound until it fills with the water my engine makes. It has been doing the tinny sound less and less, so maybe it is getting all carboned up and not vibrating as much. The sound has improved since the exhaust was done around last Christmas.

Open header is OMG loud, but it sounds SICK

[THK Matt [OP]]

mine has that tinny sound until it fills with the water my engine makes. It has been doing the tinny sound less and less, so maybe it is getting all carboned up and not vibrating as much. The sound has improved since the exhaust was done around last Christmas.

Open header is OMG loud, but it sounds SICK

that would make sense... makes you wonder... is the material that magna and flow use.. that much different that magna doesnt have the tinny... heck i wonder what a borla would sound like.

[Plekto]

Magnaflow's straight through mufflers are the best, IMO, provided you keep the pipe to 2 or 2 1/4.  It's a bit louder, but still very quiet.  A proper muffler should work like a firearm silencer/use baffles and dispersion and not make the exhaust run through a maze of chambers.

http://www.magnaflow.com/05news/magazine/05sportcpg02.asp
Some info.  Of course, not all of their mufflers are like this.  Offsets are not optimal, but it's more of a sound difference than anything else.

http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopexd.asp?zone=main&id=7547
I have this on my 4Runner.  Very nice.  This is more money but appears to be the best overall design.  Yeah, it's chrome.  The shop had this for $20 more and said it would sound better.  The chrome will rust soon enough.   

http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopexd.asp?zone=main&id=7631
This would also work fine I bet for a LOT less money.  I honestly doubt if a 22R or 22RE has enough power to even need 2.25 inch(2 inch would likely work just as well for a DD), though I do like the sound of straight through - like exactly half of a V8.

Their cats also are very nice.  Both makes for a very nice non-tinny sound.  Though, yeah - it's obviously a small 4 and not a V8.  It's NOT going to ever sound like a Chevy 350.   
 
http://www.car-sound.com/02product/shopdisplayproducts.asp?pulldown=cs
Have to weld a bit but this is about 2/3 the cost of a direct fit one. $160 vs $260.  That's about half what the OEM cat costs. 

The two together are about $250 if you shop around.  Add some pipe and  and enjoy. 

[THK Matt [OP]]

my cat that i have in room that will go on... was 150 and i got it for 50 it was in the wrong box haha.

[jimbo74]

http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopexd.asp?zone=main&id=7547
I have this on my 4Runner.  Very nice.  This is more money but appears to be the best overall design.  Yeah, it's chrome.  The shop had this for $20 more and said it would sound better.  The chrome will rust soon enough.  

stainless steel is NOT chrome

[jimbo74]

so anyways... now i am going through the specs in the back of my FSM, and am finding information that says different than what the earlier pages in the fsm reads regarding the carb tuning..... hmmmm

[jimbo74]

[Plekto]

Ah - my bad, it IS Stainless.  Good. I was shiny and assumed it was chrome.  I like stainless, chrome not so much...