Topic: Who makes the strongest ring gear?

[alwayzbroken]

Who makes the overall strongest ring and pinon? I am guessing it is impossible to say and will become a lot of debating without much proof but here goes nothing. I don't care about noise or wear, I just want the strongest ring gear to put back in my 4.10 high pinion and have cryo treated by bobby long.

[Rockcrawlintoy]

my US gears have held up well to 37s and 40s

http://www.usgear.com/company_information.htm


We supply a wide base of OEM customers, including Meritor (Rockwell), Dana, General Motors, Chrysler and Ford, with a variety of differential and transmission gears.

[91 super yoda]

im thinking that stock should be the strongest, but not sure on that. my theory on this is that toyota has a more rigorous quality check system than any of the after market suppliers. ive heard that most of the gears that the aftermarket suppliers sell wont pass the OEM specifications. and ive also heard that there are only a few manufacturers for gears and many more suppliers that will stamp a name on them.

sort of like a grade A will be sent to Toyota and a grade B will be sent to Yukon and each will stamp their respective names on them.

but this is all hearsay, but if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.

[KDXSR5]

motive

[Huhwhye]

I say stock Toyota.  And I don't put much stock in one brand vs. other.  Many share mfg.  I've purchased gears lately and my Precisions were reboxed Richmonds.  Kinda lame because Precisions cost more than Richmonds.  If all I was getting is Richmonds anyway why didn't I pay the Richmond price.

[RN37DD]

i just got a stock rear axle with 4.56 and well have to regear the front. don't know if i want to pay for yota gears yet. I'll have to check on the price first.  how did the Richmond's look quality wise? i just need a r&p that can handle 31 to 33 inch tires anyway.

[alwayzbroken [OP]]

i just got a stock rear axle with 4.56 and well have to regear the front. don't know if i want to pay for yota gears yet. I'll have to check on the price first.  how did the Richmond's look quality wise? i just need a r&p that can handle 31 to 33 inch tires anyway.

Any R&P will handle 33" tires without a problem inless you have an IFS front.

im thinking that stock should be the strongest, but not sure on that. my theory on this is that toyota has a more rigorous quality check system than any of the after market suppliers. ive heard that most of the gears that the aftermarket suppliers sell wont pass the OEM specifications. and ive also heard that there are only a few manufacturers for gears and many more suppliers that will stamp a name on them.

sort of like a grade A will be sent to Toyota and a grade B will be sent to Yukon and each will stamp their respective names on them.

but this is all hearsay, but if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.

I think it does make a lot of sense. However, I also would think a lot of improvements in material quality and other factors have taken place in the last 20 or so years since the Toyota gears were manufactured. I would think the advancements in gear technology would make current aftermarket gears stronger that the factory toyota gears that came in our trucks.

[jimbo74]

I think it does make a lot of sense. However, I also would think a lot of improvements in material quality and other factors have taken place in the last 20 or so years since the Toyota gears were manufactured. I would think the advancements in gear technology would make current aftermarket gears stronger that the factory toyota gears that came in our trucks.

i agree with this to a point... however you need to get gears from a good manufacturer.... genuine gear sucks and uses inferior metals... sure they have a lifetime warranty, but is it worth it when you factor downtime, and setup and resetup costs and time involved?

[OOPS]

You are looking at 5-6 hundred dollars for OEM R & P set at this place.

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=214074


Gears are like anything else, everyone has their opinion.

[91 super yoda]

if i were to say bang for the buck, i would go with Yukon. Marlin will warranty them so they have to be good. Yukon is also what Randy's Ring and Pinion sell, so they are obviously popular for some reason.

[bigarms23]

yukon i havent had problems running a 39inch tire

[DeadlyPeace]

Nothing but Yukon.

[BLACKDOG]

Any R&P will handle 33" tires without a problem inless you have an IFS front.

richmonds are holding up just fine in my IFS with 35"s (before that 37"s) 

For most of us, you do have to look at cost as well.  Sure, toyota r&p s MAY be better, but if you balance out the cost, I'd go with a name brand of known high quality.  Personally, I've had experience with genuine (crap), yukon ( great) , and richmond (very happy with them)

[79coyotefrg]

I say stock Toyota.  And I don't put much stock in one brand vs. other.  Many share mfg.  I've purchased gears lately and my Precisions were reboxed Richmonds.  Kinda lame because Precisions cost more than Richmonds.  If all I was getting is Richmonds anyway why didn't I pay the Richmond price.

where did you order them from ??

[jimbo74]

I say stock Toyota.  And I don't put much stock in one brand vs. other.  Many share mfg.  I've purchased gears lately and my Precisions were reboxed Richmonds.  Kinda lame because Precisions cost more than Richmonds.  If all I was getting is Richmonds anyway why didn't I pay the Richmond price.

i have actually heard htis before too, jsut dont remember which brands were reboxed... i htink there was a thread on ttora abotu a vendor doing that, not sure if it was a vendor issue or if the gears were actually the same though

[Huhwhye]

I bought them from JT's in Washington (Just Differentials).  I don't think it is a vendor issue because I've heard of it happening everywhere.  All the vendors say the same thing about brands not making their own stuff including Motive and Yukon.  I'm just think its lame that I paid Precision Gear Prices and got Richmonds.  I probably could have just bought Richmonds and saved the $20+.

[jimbo74]

I bought them from JT's in Washington (Just Differentials).  I don't think it is a vendor issue because I've heard of it happening everywhere.  All the vendors say the same thing about brands not making their own stuff including Motive and Yukon.  I'm just think its lame that I paid Precision Gear Prices and got Richmonds.  I probably could have just bought Richmonds and saved the $20+.

was that you who posted that on TTORA? i think it was the same vendor JTSDIFFS

[Huhwhye]

I'm not on TTORA.  I've heard this happening at other venders as well.

My gear installer said it was common and I don't think he would lie to me.  He doesn't make any money off of it.  But I would like to know what the truth is.

EDIT:  When I call JT's and asked about it they seemed slightly shocked and said they don't open boxes before shipping them out.  Then he proceeded to tell me that this is common in the biz.  If he was lying I would like to know.  But how could there be this big ring and pinion conspiracy and us not know about it?

[91 super yoda]

I'm not on TTORA.  I've heard this happening at other venders as well.

My gear installer said it was common and I don't think he would lie to me.  He doesn't make any money off of it.  But I would like to know what the truth is.

EDIT:  When I call JT's and asked about it they seemed slightly shocked and said they don't open boxes before shipping them out.  Then he proceeded to tell me that this is common in the biz.  If he was lying I would like to know.  But how could there be this big ring and pinion conspiracy and us not know about it?

like i said before, i think there only a few manufacturers and many suppliers. mistakes could happen during manufacturing and somebody elses name could be stamped on another suppliers/retailers merchandise.

[DTB]

I'm not on TTORA.  I've heard this happening at other venders as well.

My gear installer said it was common and I don't think he would lie to me.  He doesn't make any money off of it.  But I would like to know what the truth is.

EDIT:  When I call JT's and asked about it they seemed slightly shocked and said they don't open boxes before shipping them out.  Then he proceeded to tell me that this is common in the biz.  If he was lying I would like to know.  But how could there be this big ring and pinion conspiracy and us not know about it?

I didnt think Precision Gear re-boxed? I was under the impression they manufactured their own gears

[CTENG in KS]

If it isn't a daily driver, have a set of Yukon gears sent to Bobby Long to be cryo treated.

[DTB]

I just got off the phone with a salesman from Precision Gear...he was pretty avoidant of my question on where the actual gears are manufactured. He said their gears are manufactured in plants all over the world. He also said that if vendors dont have Precision Gear brand that it is common practice to substitute another gear make...pretty disheartening 

[Rockcrawlintoy]

another vote for US gear. made in America and u get US gears

[RN37DD]

where can you buy us gear R&P's. do they hold up in toys? if the price and quality is good, i buy USA stuff first.

[Huhwhye]

like i said before, i think there only a few manufacturers and many suppliers. mistakes could happen during manufacturing and somebody elses name could be stamped on another suppliers/retailers merchandise.

I think it goes beyond a name stamp.  Richmonds have some characteristic marks that others don't have.  The following pic is not mine but borrowed from gearinstall.com

[Rockcrawlintoy]

where can you buy us gear R&P's. do they hold up in toys? if the price and quality is good, i buy USA stuff first.

i got mine at bent and twisted 4x4 in chico but they arent there anymore.
http://www.usgear.com/company_information.htm there is their website. i have been runnin mine for a few years with NO problems what so ever. they set up real easy.

Every process in the Manufacture of TORQ-LINE Ring & Pinion Gear sets is performed in-house to assure consistent quality.   Because installation is so critical with this product, each and every set comes with its own set of instructions.

    *

      Manufactured from Forged USA Steel
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      Pinion face Marked for "Checking" Distance
    *

      Made in the U.S.A

[jimbo74]

I think it goes beyond a name stamp.  Richmonds have some characteristic marks that others don't have.  The following pic is not mine but borrowed from gearinstall.com

now is that ground into the gear? to me, it looks like someone hit it with a grinder, then wrote on it with a sharpie

[Huhwhye]

now is that ground into the gear? to me, it looks like someone hit it with a grinder, then wrote on it with a sharpie

I agree it looks like crap.  It looks like an electric engraving tool made the writing.  That is what mine looked like as well.  There are several installs of Richmonds on gearinstalls.com that show the same thing.  I don't know why its like that, it just is and is characteristic of Richmonds.

[alwayzbroken [OP]]

I just got off the phone with a salesman from Precision Gear...he was pretty avoidant of my question on where the actual gears are manufactured. He said their gears are manufactured in plants all over the world. He also said that if vendors dont have Precision Gear brand that it is common practice to substitute another gear make...pretty disheartening 

I believe Precision gear is made in Italy from what I heard a long time ago.

[Goose]

If it isn't a daily driver, have a set of Yukon gears sent to Bobby Long to be cryo treated.

is it bad to have cryo them if theyre gonna be daily driven?