Author Topic: Massive Marlin Crawler parts comparison!!! (Read 117446 times)

Brandon · « **Reply #30 on:** Jul 09, 2004, 07:27:05 AM »

Quote from: BigMike on Jun 29, 2004, 08:13:31 PM

Quote from: 86runner-sas on Jun 29, 2004, 05:27:41 PM
lets not be mean to marlin now
We have countless Big block V8s, 350s, V6s, Vortecs, Supercharged 3.4L setups in Tacomas, 4Runners, and T100s, and a 4.7L V8 Tundra - all using Marlin Crawler Adapters with our Double Roller Bearing and heat treated output shaft.

And High Output 5.0's

mudguts · « **Reply #31 on:** Jul 10, 2004, 01:03:21 AM »

After reading that comparison I'm

My MC05 will be 10 years old next year.

Ferg · « **Reply #32 on:** Jul 11, 2004, 07:25:37 PM »

I got my '05 in mid '96. It's been behind a 4.3L V6 since '99. I guess it's time to upgrade

84runner · « **Reply #33 on:** Jul 12, 2004, 11:54:48 AM »

But why fix it if it ain't broke ? I guess you could order to total splind and double roller bearng and just upgrade like that. Right Big MIke

donkeykong · « **Reply #34 on:** Jul 14, 2004, 01:26:30 AM »

Eyes burning...head spinning...soooo many numbers

But so worth reading. As the old saying goes you get what you pay for and even if the products were exactly the same, Noone that I have ever done business with has ever stood behind there product like Marlin does.

Marketing · « **Reply #35 on:** Jul 15, 2004, 11:43:45 PM »

Quote from: superstarai on Jun 29, 2004, 04:26:51 PM

Why does marlin crawler complete t-cases cost more than inchworm i just dont get it same thing? Inchworms a $630 and your guys are $719 and up whats up? Iam about to go with inchorm better prices and plus they feature 5:1 gearsets!

We had allready been talking about dropping our prices on crawlers and units. I am happy to announce the following new pricing...

Reduction unit & dual adapter $649

4.70 gears in cleanned rebuilt transfer case $675

MC07 dual kits are also on sale for $329

SWAMPER · « **Reply #36 on:** Jul 16, 2004, 06:24:51 AM »

SSSSSSWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

Those are some nice prices....thanks Marlin Co.

SWAMPER · « **Reply #37 on:** Jul 16, 2004, 07:03:37 AM »

I found this review at www.toyotaoffroad.com if it dosent fit here go ahead and remove it...just thought it was good to read

http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/articles/reviews/marlin_crawler/marlin_crawler.htm

yotaboy79 · « **Reply #38 on:** Jul 16, 2004, 02:21:55 PM »

how long does that sale last i just got my paycheck and ill be getting another in two weeks i cant use that much of this paycheck gotta pay back some lones first

$Beer Chug\'n$

Marketing · « **Reply #39 on:** Jul 25, 2004, 10:41:53 PM »

Quote from: yotaboy79 on Jul 16, 2004, 02:21:55 PM

how long does that sale last i just got my paycheck and ill be getting another in two weeks i cant use that much of this paycheck gotta pay back some lones first $Beer Chug\'n$

This is not a sale, this is our new low price.

yotaboy79 · « **Reply #40 on:** Jul 27, 2004, 04:07:06 PM »

hell yeah i love this company more and more every day $Beer Chug\'n$

nightcrawler · « **Reply #41 on:** Aug 09, 2004, 11:59:38 PM »

Quote from: BigMike on Jun 29, 2004, 08:13:31 PM

Quote from: 86runner-sas on Jun 29, 2004, 05:27:41 PM
lets not be mean to marlin now
Please be mean - lets get the facts right out!

Inchworm's kit is cheaper to produce than ours for the following two reasons:
1: They use a stock 8 ball bearing mainshaft bearing for the output shaft.
2: They use a stock mainshaft that is cut in half, drilled out, and then splined. This is cheap and weaker than stock because they do not reheat-treat the shaft. They just modify the existing stock mainshaft and convert it into an output shaft.

For Marlin's Adapters, and I mean all of them, from the MC07 all the way up to the V8 Tundra MC09,
1: We use a Maximum service double-roller 32-ball bearing mainshaft bearing for the output shaft.
2: We use a complete NEW aftermarket Heat treated output shaft coupler.

Comparisons:
Inchworm's Mainshaft bearing: Marlin Crawler's Mainshaft bearing:
Ball Count: 8 32
Static Load Rating: 5,850 lbs 11,600 lbs
Dynamic Load Rating: 11,400 lbs 14,600 lbs
Bearing Width: 23mm 30mm
Largest Spline Size: 21-spline Only 21- or 23-spline available
Heat Treated Coupler: No Yes

- Our bearing is 98% stronger under static loads and 63% stronger over all.
- Because our bearing is 7mm (just over 1/4") wider, the output shaft is supported better than the stock factory mainshaft bearing (used in the Inchworm) and out of the 1,600+ units sold, we have NEVER had any couplers come back worn out or stripped. The problem with narrower bearings, especially like the 11mm narrower bearing used in the old MC05 (Now A/A Crawler), is that the coupler is not supported well and it teeters sideways and wears out both the splines on the input and the coupler's OD size.
- Because the stock mainshaft's physical size is inherit (it already exists), a 23-Spline outer dimensions is too large to use inside of a modified stock mainshaft converted as an output shaft. Do you follow me? Basically, Inchworm is ONLY available as a 21-spline as long as they continue to modify the stock mainshaft and produce a weaker modified output shaft. They have made a custom 23-spline modified output shaft but it failed the first time out because the wall was just too thin. This is not a secret, its open public knowledge

We have countless Big block V8s, 350s, V6s, Vortecs, Supercharged 3.4L setups in Tacomas, 4Runners, and T100s, and a 4.7L V8 Tundra - all using Marlin Crawler Adapters with our Double Roller Bearing and heat treated output shaft. Inchworm can not make these claims and never will until they do something about their products.

But of course your rig is a 21-spline so this does not apply to you, so maybe you are willing to save a few bucks. But we actually have two broken output shafts from Inchworm in stock (in our Trophy area) that are from a customer who towed his rig and another who carried in broken parts to have it upgraded to a Marlin Crawler. This is also open public knowledge So Its not that I am trying to hide something or bend the truth to prove the differences of the two units... these are facts. Their have been many accounts of failed Inchworms / A/A / Jeep eater, but we are still waiting for the first failed MC07 Double roller bearing design.

It is no secret that because you are paying for a product that is priced less, it is of lesser quality. The Inchworm is a great unit that works just the same as a Marlin Crawler, but the draw backs are that it uses a factory mainshaft bearing that is only 23mm wide and it uses an output shaft that is weaker then the mainshaft in your t/case right now. So the probability of a couple shaft or input gear failure is extremely greater with the Inchworm and we are still waiting for our first one out of 1600+ to fail..

So, that's where the $89 comes from. For most people the extra $89 is insurance that it will never fail when out on the trail for many many years to come.

As for the A/A 5.0:1 Gears, which are actually 4.97:1 (not 5.0:1), WT is correct. I have some pictures I could dig up for you if your interested and I did a write up on the pirates along time ago that got deleted as far as I can tell, I cant find my post any longer...

But the bad thing about any non-Marlin Crawler gears is that they do not have the Total Spline Technology. I am not trying to praise Marlin Crawler, its just a simple fact that Marlin Crawler is the only company that I know who uses the Total Spline Technology. Because of this, we have had ZERO input failures. More spline contact = less wear + longer life + increased torque rating.
As for the teeth, A/A's gear cutter just simply took one of our old discontinued 4.70:1 gear set (our old style gears) and added a tooth to both the input and the low speed gear. The outer dimensions of course are the same size as the 4.70:1 gear set (the case can't be milled any more than it already is) so how did they add those two extra teeth? Yup, by making every other tooth skinner, narrower, and smaller.

So I warn people when ever they ask questions about the shady 5.0:1 (4.97:1) gear sets. It sounds to us that A/A just wanted to have something lower then us and we could care less. And seeing how weak those 5.0:1 gears are, I personally would NEVER use them because we have had a couple old style 4.70:1 gear sets fail on the same low speed gear as the 5.0:1. And if the 5.0:1 is weaker, then sheesh, I would have to carry a spare 2.28:1 gears with me no matter what trail I took..

When you consider the facts that our new 4.70:1 gears are made in Japan by Toyota's Gear Cutter (yes the same company who made the 2.28:1 gears), better metal, better design, and the Total Spline Technology, it just seems like a no brainer as to what gear set to choose.

Regards,
BigMike

Well said BigMike!!

jvministries · « **Reply #42 on:** Sep 15, 2004, 09:59:42 PM »

man I'm glad I went for the mc07 and let them build both my cases

I have a much better feeling now about how well it's going to hold up

your the man Marlin

I was fussing about the cost with my wife and now I can show her why it cost

me and my wife

pimped4Runner · « **Reply #43 on:** Dec 03, 2004, 02:34:14 PM »

marlin crawler has better products that Allpro by far. i have broken many high steer arms of all pro and no problems with MC Keep up the hard work MC crew

CODY DEAN

pimped4Runner · « **Reply #44 on:** Dec 04, 2004, 05:40:39 PM »

sweet prices but i ordered my dual case adapter plate when it was $399.00 but iit is worth every dollar. i recommend it to anyone with $329 to spend it and get the super low addrenaline rush. good work marlin crawler

Cody

thumpNUTZ · « **Reply #45 on:** Feb 09, 2005, 07:29:05 AM »

Quote from: skinny_pedal on Jul 01, 2004, 01:38:15 PM

after that explanation why would u even consider anything else?

NO DOUBT! BigMike sure does know his stuff! That was one helluva explanation...

Hyena · « **Reply #46 on:** Mar 29, 2005, 11:24:10 PM »

I have the inchworm dual case addapter in my truck. I bought it used/never ran about a year ago. it also came with a high angle driveline, sky skid plate, and a spare rear driveline. Bought it all for like $700. It has worked great for me. 4.7 gearset just came in the mail from marlin crawler. Bigmike, do you think i will have a problem with the strength of the inchworm adapter/bearings after i install the 4.7?

toy4crawlin · « **Reply #47 on:** May 18, 2005, 04:43:07 PM »

Smooth move Rusty !

I have Marlins Dual T-cases, for a 4cyl engine believe it's a 21 spline !

And HAVE WhEELED IT BEHIND A V6 ENGINE !!! for 5 YEARS , Tank trap Rubicon Sluice box Get the point !!

NO BREAKS, NO PROBLEM

In this tuff market more usually means better !

BigMike · « **Reply #48 on:** May 18, 2005, 11:54:08 PM »

Quote from: Hyena on Mar 29, 2005, 11:24:10 PM

I have the inchworm dual case addapter in my truck. ............. do you think i will have a problem with the strength of the inchworm adapter/bearings after i install the 4.7?

Well since you are going to install the 4.70:1 gear set in the rear t/case (RIGHT??) the Torque will all be behind the Inchworm and it's coupler, so you have nothing to worry about

You'll gonna love the Ultimate. Remember the difference the Duals made? Multiply that by 2 and you've got an Ultimate. Super Control and Traction!

Hyena · « **Reply #49 on:** May 19, 2005, 07:13:09 PM »

I installed it last month and haven't had the time to take it out yet. But i already love it. Memorial will be the maiden voyage with the 4.7, longs, and front detriot.

yotee · « **Reply #50 on:** Aug 16, 2005, 08:54:16 PM »

this has me kinda worried. i understand the "you get what you pay for" thing but when i bought mine (inchworm dual cases)they were the same price, and i could pick it up for less than shipping from marlin. has jim done any upgrades since the original post? or has he been only working on that auto dual adapter?

laoseth · « **Reply #51 on:** Aug 19, 2005, 02:52:10 PM »

Ok, I have seen the 4.97 gears suck post here, and at pirate. So my question is, If these things suck so bad, why did marlin start selling them. Are there improvements that were made or what?

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #52 on:** Aug 19, 2005, 08:14:07 PM »

Because people will still buy them. Why send customers elsewhere to spend money?

crawlerdan · « **Reply #53 on:** Aug 20, 2005, 03:59:09 PM »

marlin only sells them

AFTER telling everyone interested that 4.0 and 4.7s are better

BigMike · « **Reply #54 on:** Aug 24, 2005, 02:03:05 AM »

exactly. Some people buy them so we sell them.

I don't believe the Inchworm has been changed since it's release or so?

BiGMike

Hyena · « **Reply #55 on:** Sep 12, 2005, 11:25:03 PM »

My inchworm is still crawling along. It is a funkier design then marlins, but i works. and i haven't been to easy on it either. but if i would do it again i would go with marlins.

dj · « **Reply #56 on:** Oct 11, 2005, 02:48:05 PM »

I have a

bought in about 2000 or 2001 or maybe even earlier, what is it? I broke the input shaft on the front case recently, other than that it is holding up to my heavy foot and healthy 350 just fine. What can I do to improve it? will a 4.0:1 or 4.7:1 hold up to the abuse, running 38 sx's

4.3 headache · « **Reply #57 on:** Mar 22, 2006, 10:36:53 AM »

Wow this is an old post listed as NEWS? anyhow still great info.

I've got crawlbox #246 MC05. Recently removed my t-case after I broke an input shaft(21 spline) at TDS this year . I thoroughly disassembled, inspected the crawl box and everything is in great shape. considered upgrade but it would run me over 2k$ cause of 4l60e adapters to go 23spl. throughout.

anyhow no noticeable wear of coupling splines and bearings still good.
could this be because of no 4.7 gears in crawlbox?
I'm not a hammer down guy but I have been known to break parts

One day I'll upgrade but I'll probably put ol' #246 in my other 85 efi 4cyl toy.

btw crawl box has had about 200,000 miles thru it.

OOPS · « **Reply #58 on:** Apr 05, 2006, 07:42:14 PM »

I am an old time Marlin product user. Seven years ago, I bought a single case with 4.70 in it and a V-6 adapter (#17 I think) It is still going strong. Marlin stands behind his products.

Last year at JV on Friday, I was coming off of Outer Limits, doing about 30 MPH and I hit the rock wall, which broke the pin off for the trunion bearing. The high steer on my truck was over six years old and was the seconded one that Marlin had sold. It had the old A-P welded arms. By the time I got back to the lake bed word had spread the OOPS had a problem and need a passenger side steering arm. No one had one, but Chris found me and said. “Send them to us and we will send you a new billet set, no charge. I explained it was my fault why it broke and he said “I do not care, send them to us”. About a half an hour later Marlin found me and said, “I have been looking for an arm so you can run tomorrow but there are none, I did not bring any but, send them to me and I will send you a set no charge”. I explained to him what I did, Marlin laughed and said “I do not care, when you bought it I told you it was warrantee for life, send them to me. Where is that beautiful wife of yours anyway, I need a hug”

Am I pro Marlin, you are darn right. I want the best, the best in product and the best in service. I get that from Marlin. It may cost a bit more, but to me it is worth it.

tj40ounce · « **Reply #59 on:** Apr 07, 2006, 12:33:14 PM »

Proof that the AA adapter is weak! From a post on local board timbercrawler.com.

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