6 stud knuckles

[kneedownnate]

The probation would bother me, but angry pm's from cg are about as scary as a juvenile squirrel barking from a tree, it's cuter than it is scary.

[noexcuses]

yah I ave been threatend with the ban hammer whenever I talk bad about trail gear on the PBB also. Looks like I will have to stick with the stock knuckles and ARP studs till I build my 609. Never bought anything from Trail mart and never will.

[noexcuses]

smack yah I did not know that Marlin was getting screwed over by TG (like diamond axles, ruff stuff, ect ect). Gues Marlin can add his name to the list .  Oh yeh thanks for the link so I could fix that  . I could not find my post.

any way back to the subject at hand 

[megolfer]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=546531


Here is a post on pirate about it.

[cheap sunglasses]

I will refrain from judgement on the issue until it becomes clear what the agreement states about Marlin being supplied with the knuckles from TG. It would seem to make the most sense if they got them at cost and thus could sell them at the same price. So in the end all that would result is TG getting free R&D.

That's just me thinking out loud though, I think the whole TG ethics issue is really not something that can be properly judged since most of us know very little of what is actually going on.

[big ron]

I will refrain from judgement on the issue until it becomes clear what the agreement states about Marlin being supplied with the knuckles from TG. It would seem to make the most sense if they got them at cost and thus could sell them at the same price. So in the end all that would result is TG getting free R&D.

That's just me thinking out loud though, I think the whole TG ethics issue is really not something that can be properly judged since most of us know very little of what is actually going on.

well said...

[jimbo74]

Trail Gear has ethics?

[megolfer]

I know a lot about the situation and they have no ethics and straight out stole the six stud knuckles along with other trade secrets from marlin.

I will refrain from judgement on the issue until it becomes clear what the agreement states about Marlin being supplied with the knuckles from TG. It would seem to make the most sense if they got them at cost and thus could sell them at the same price. So in the end all that would result is TG getting free R&D.

That's just me thinking out loud though, I think the whole TG ethics issue is really not something that can be properly judged since most of us know very little of what is actually going on.

[kneedownnate]

I will refrain from judgement on the issue until it becomes clear what the agreement states about Marlin being supplied with the knuckles from TG. It would seem to make the most sense if they got them at cost and thus could sell them at the same price. So in the end all that would result is TG getting free R&D.

That's just me thinking out loud though, I think the whole TG ethics issue is really not something that can be properly judged since most of us know very little of what is actually going on.

I think you've made a very similar comment in the past, and were reminded then also that you may have joined after a lot of this went down and had missed a lot of pertinent info.  There is no question on tg's ethics from members who caught on to what went down, and it's actually kinda irritating when newer members keep piping up and saying "we don't have the facts/don't know anything about the situation, and should not judge".  Some of us know enough to KNOW, not judge!

[4XFlyin]

Marlin is one of the nicest people I know Period. Marlin's integrity is built on what he has done and not by what he has said.

I don't believe that bashing and speculating helps Marlin in any way. On the contrary it probably hurts. I will support the man that made me enjoy this sport by giving him my dollars, referrals and respect.

[zorack86]

It is none of our business

x2

[Gittinit]

x2

X3 but that still means anyone who wants them NOW is going to trailgear

[rick80]

I never say to much on here?
To start off with, this is one of best boards around. That something that Trail Gear cannot take away fom us. Everyone knows in what type of sitiuation Marlin is in. Everyone knows that the legal system is not always fair at all. But sometimes you have to be the bigger man and walk away.      

[Gittinit]

I never say to much on here?
To start off with, this is one of best boards around. That something that Trail Gear cannot take away fom us. Everyone knows in what type of sitiuation Marlin is in. Everyone knows that the legal system is not always fair at all. But sometimes you have to be the BETTER man and walk away.      

there i fixed it for ya!

[AaronB]

x2

Arent you part of the TG crew

[79coyotefrg]

yes he is

[Willy Mammoth]

This is a sad day indeed. My thoughts go out to Marlin and hope he can make peace with this. I know he had his hart set on winning this fight, but someone else Said, "sometimes you have to be the bigger man and walk away".

I was hopping he could resolve this because I was waiting for them to do my 4 wheel steer, BUT if TG is going to make them I am not going to support TG in anyway shape or form. They (TG) can rot in hell for all I care.

I would understand fully if Marlin did not sell them either. I have more respect for Marlin than anyone else I know and back him even if it means he will not release the 6 stud knuckles.

TG may be making off with the goods, but they are also making a name for them selves and bad news travels faster than good news.

Ever heard of winzel?

[cheap sunglasses]

I think you've made a very similar comment in the past, and were reminded then also that you may have joined after a lot of this went down and had missed a lot of pertinent info.  There is no question on tg's ethics from members who caught on to what went down, and it's actually kinda irritating when newer members keep piping up and saying "we don't have the facts/don't know anything about the situation, and should not judge".  Some of us know enough to KNOW, not judge!

Actually I have been around since before the failed merger and subsequent rise of Trail Gear, and I would guess I know almost everything if not everything that you do about the issue. But I would still like to rephrase what I said. There is enough "evidence" to judge TG and label them as evil or whatever you like, but I would say that debating the issues such as these knuckles is fairly pointless without knowing most of the details of the agreement. After all you dont need any facts at all to form an opinion.

[kneedownnate]

There is enough "evidence" to judge TG and label them as evil or whatever you like, but I would say that debating the issues such as these knuckles is fairly pointless without knowing most of the details of the agreement. After all you dont need any facts at all to form an opinion.

That makes a little more sense, maybe I was just reading it wrong before

[cheap sunglasses]

  not really important, I was just throwing my thoughts out there 

btw, I am not defending TG, what they're doing is pretty shady IMO

[megolfer]

Actually I have been around since before the failed merger and subsequent rise of Trail Gear, and I would guess I know almost everything if not everything that you do about the issue. But I would still like to rephrase what I said. There is enough "evidence" to judge TG and label them as evil or whatever you like, but I would say that debating the issues such as these knuckles is fairly pointless without knowing most of the details of the agreement. After all you dont need any facts at all to form an opinion.

Believe me you dont know all the facts.  There is so much that has not been posted in public.

[cheap sunglasses]

Uh... that was pretty much the point of my post.
(I think you misread what I said. I said I know about as much as nate did , not everything there is to know.)

[jimbo74]

Uh... that was pretty much the point of my post.
(I think you misread what I said. I said I know about as much as nate did , not everything there is to know.)

i'm sure that if you did know as much as nate, you would agree with the statement that trailgear can kick rocks.... obviosly, you know less about the entire situation than nate does

[cheap sunglasses]

 
Read reply #51 in this thread please.

I'm done with this thread now. This is ridiculous.

[pickemup81]

I would rather put my ifs back on than buy from TG.

[jimbo74]

Read reply #51 in this thread please.

I'm done with this thread now. This is ridiculous.

i read it, and you think you know the whole story, of what is going on.... there is a lot more to it than what was posted here on the board, and a lot of the people here know about it....

[Hottrod81]

x2

Go back to installing R&P's for Trail Mart where you belong.  That's right, TG has their R&Ps installed by a guy at 4 Wheel Parts. 

[jimbo74]

so is marlin going to stop selling the 6 stud arms?

[Westy]

Go back to installing R&P's for Trail Mart where you belong.  That's right, TG has their R&Ps installed by a guy at 4 Wheel Parts. 

If thats true...that is scary.

[megolfer]

It is true.  Zorack is also the one that was bashing marlin and many of the other employess on pirate.  Coyote knows about it, I sent him about 10 links of it and that was not even a little of it.  Most of it was deleted when threads were deleted.  I wonder is 4wheelparts knows that he is installing, and the crap that he is saying about other companies.  He sure represents 4 wheel parts really well.