Author Topic: what size/brand winch? (Read 6669 times)

idacurt · « **on:** Jan 12, 2007, 08:28:53 AM »

any help would be appreciated for info on what size and brand winch would be good for my 87 4runner.Thanks

Oddmar · « **Reply #1 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 08:59:29 AM »

A Mile Marker 9000-12000 lb. hydraulic winch is what will be going on the front of my pickups...

There is plenty of argument over which is better, electric or hydraulic...proponents of electric winches argue that theirs will operate off the battery when the engine isn't running, while a hydraulic winch runs off the power steering pump, requiring the engine to be turning to operate.

Electric winches will not operate under water, they will drain the battery unless the engine is running, they overheat quickly...some have been known to fail permanently from overheating.

Hydraulic winches will work under water, they are usually more powerful, and the power steering pump is cooler when operating the winch than when steering. Mile Marker once winched a truck up and down a hill for hours to test their hydraulic winch...powering up and down the hill with the truck in neutral...all that resulted was a really frayed cable.

Hydraulic winches are more expensive though, so i'm going to get the Harbor Freight 9000 lb. electric winch, which closely resembles the electric winch Mile Marker also produces, for the front of my Toyota, then when i can afford the hydraulic winch the electric one will be put on the rear bumper.

There is also an argument for synthetic winch 'rope' as opposed to steel cable. While more expensive, the winch rope doesn't weigh much, so if it snaps it just falls to the ground. If a steel cable snaps the weight or 'mass' of the cable will keep it moving, and it can cut you in half. The rope requires an aluminum hawser fairhead as opposed to a steel roller fairhead. Another nice thing about rope is you can get more on the winch drum, it weighs less, and you'll never get a strand of cable stuck in the palm of your hand.

All_Set · « **Reply #2 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 02:27:32 PM »

Quote from: Oddmar on Jan 12, 2007, 08:59:29 AM

If a steel cable snaps the weight or 'mass' of the cable will keep it moving, and it can cut you in half.

Hey! Didn't mythbusters bust that myth!

(cutting a person in 1/2, but doesn't mean I want to get hit with one anyways.)

Recommended is 1.5 the vehicle weight. If you buy an inexpensive winch, get the biggest you can afford.

A snatch block is worth its weight in gold.

madhunt · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 02:34:34 PM »

i run a warn m8000 on my 85 runner a friend has a m6000 on his 84 toy p/u and we both love em his m6000 will not pull a burried chevy in snow but an 8000 will. I would go no smaller than a 8000lb winch, Iand as my friends at fwp say "friends dont let friends buy mile markers."

idacurt · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 03:11:02 PM »

Thanks for the info.I found a used warn xd9000 w/rope that I made a offer on,so we will see?

Rockcrawlintoy · « **Reply #5 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 05:03:36 PM »

i have am m8000 it works well. i would get at least an 8000.

Drew

TRHS1980 · « **Reply #6 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 05:26:39 PM »

Quote from: All_Set on Jan 12, 2007, 02:27:32 PM

Hey! Didn't mythbusters bust that myth! (cutting a person in 1/2, but doesn't mean I want to get hit with one anyways.)

Why yes they did! Completely busted. But..... As you said, I still would NOT want to be on the tail end of a broken cable

It could still do some serious damage

and I'm personally always worried about losing an eye or both.

I've read quite a bit on winches and although there are tons of horror stories out there about mile marker/harbor freight/Wally World winches, I still wouldn't hesitate to buy one, since many seem to have no problems with theirs.

DTB · « **Reply #7 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 05:29:52 PM »

Quote from: TRHS1980 on Jan 12, 2007, 05:26:39 PM

I've read quite a bit on winches and although there are tons of horror stories out there about mile marker/harbor freight/Wally World winches, I still wouldn't hesitate to buy one, since many seem to have no problems with theirs.

the army has been using milemarkers for years and years

jimbo74 · « **Reply #8 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 05:41:20 PM »

im going to get a costco one if i ever got some $

Hyena · « **Reply #9 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 06:16:50 PM »

my first winch will be an Warn M8000 also. good winch for the money.

fullthrottle · « **Reply #10 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 06:30:29 PM »

costco.com has the Mile Marker 8000 lb winch for $329.95.
it's under auto > auto accessories > jacks & winchs > at th bottem
what you gys think about it?

jimbo74 · « **Reply #11 on:** Jan 12, 2007, 06:43:11 PM »

Quote from: fullthrottle on Jan 12, 2007, 06:30:29 PM

costco.com has the Mile Marker 8000 lb winch for $329.95.
it's under auto > auto accessories > jacks & winchs > at th bottem
what you gys think about it?

thats what im going to get.... ,y friend lives in utah and he said they have them at his local costco.... for $299 and they come with a acc pack......

brc · « **Reply #12 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 12:41:47 AM »

I have a 8274 on my 85 runner and it works awesome I bought it and it wasn't working for 100.00 I spend like 90 bucks thru Warn and have been using it for about 6yrs now no other problems.

I would reccomend replacing the battery cable though I went to the welding shop and bought 1/0 weilding cable for mine when I was rebuilding it, I figured the more voltage getting to it with the least amount of resistance was better.

Gewehr43 · « **Reply #13 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 03:38:58 PM »

A Warn M8000 would be a good starter winch.

TRHS1980 · « **Reply #14 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 04:49:23 PM »

Quote from: Dirt Toy Boy on Jan 12, 2007, 05:29:52 PM

the army has been using milemarkers for years and years

Yeah I've read that too. But to be fair, I'm pretty sure that they use hydraulic winches and most people complaining about milemarker are talking about electric ones.

Duffil · « **Reply #15 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 07:54:44 PM »

I like the Mini Warn 9000...the one with the small spool and only 50ft of synth line.

red · « **Reply #16 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 09:58:30 PM »

Quote from: TRHS1980 on Jan 13, 2007, 04:49:23 PM

Yeah I've read that too. But to be fair, I'm pretty sure that they use hydraulic winches and most people complaining about milemarker are talking about electric ones.

correct from what i've been told as well. milemarker makes great hydraulic winches, not so great electrics.
if you go electric and want it to last, go warn.

toy85ota · « **Reply #17 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 10:36:40 PM »

I have a mile marker 8000lb, i love it never had any problems, I had that thing completley sumerged under water, and always seem to me and my buddys out. nevr comes close to stalling it out.

toy85ota · « **Reply #18 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 10:38:13 PM »

military even runs mile markers on the hummers. The only thing warn really has over mile marker is the line speed, plus there was more expensive.

yotaboy79 · « **Reply #19 on:** Jan 13, 2007, 10:41:47 PM »

im running a warn xd 9000i and im happy with it and with any winch a snatch block is worth its weight in gold

Birfailed · « **Reply #20 on:** Jan 14, 2007, 03:13:23 PM »

Warn 9500 Ti here

idacurt · « **Reply #21 on:** Jan 14, 2007, 04:13:08 PM »

Are you guys running dual batteries?

eightyfive · « **Reply #22 on:** Jan 14, 2007, 04:54:28 PM »

what is a snatch block?

DTB · « **Reply #23 on:** Jan 14, 2007, 05:02:49 PM »

Quote from: eightyfive on Jan 14, 2007, 04:54:28 PM

what is a snatch block?

effectively doubles your pulling power and relieves stress on winch

Birfailed · « **Reply #24 on:** Jan 14, 2007, 07:58:42 PM »

A snatch block is a sheave, or pulley, that would be chained or strapped to a tree or another vehicle. You run your winch line through the sheave and back to your vehicle. It will double your pull but it will decrease the speed by half. But if your in such a bad situation you need a block you wont care about how fast your winch pulls, but be aware your line will only be half as long since it's running to the sheave then turning back around and hooking to your truck.

All_Set · « **Reply #25 on:** Jan 15, 2007, 12:47:19 PM »

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/index.html

Gearhead Wiki · « **Reply #26 on:** Jan 15, 2007, 07:40:25 PM »

That article should be put as a sticky post on here.

idacurt · « **Reply #27 on:** Jan 16, 2007, 09:06:21 AM »

Good link all set

rednk1980 · « **Reply #28 on:** Jan 16, 2007, 09:29:12 AM »

I had a mile marker 10000 and it worked good just slow, now i have a Warn 9000xd

yotakid88 · « **Reply #29 on:** Jan 16, 2007, 01:14:49 PM »

I wanna try the t-maxx winch with redneck rope. I theink it would be a good combo

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