DARWIN AWARD-1st gen RE-build-3/17/06

[Chad_Romine]

More pics. Iv been working on it a bunch lately... kinda getting burnt out. i just wana go wheel

[Gittinit]

I love the idea of dual trannies! do you have any links or just some suggestions? I'm wanting to do a little more reasearch. I think it looks sweet all stretched out like that. Could you use a first gen trans in front of your 2nd to shorten your drivetrain some? I think you could also tilt the whole drivetrain by lifting just the motor side, to help whith the driveline angles.

[Chad_Romine]

I just searched for the link to find some info but my search isnt working at work right now.

The hardest part is making the output on the first tranny "slide" into the second tranny. They are the same EXACT size so theres a bit of fileing or if your brave, grinding.

-Once you get the 2 together get 2 pieces of cardboard or somthing similar and build your hole pattern templete.
-After that mark the wholes on two pieces of steel, then drill them out.
-Youll either need a really big drill for the center hole or use a torch like me
-Once all the holes are drilled slide the plates over the output and slide the 2 trannys together.
-Put all the bolts in the holes and make sure the plate lines up right.

I used a piece of 2" square stock inbetween the plates. apprx 2" long also. You can use any size material you want thatll fit over the output just make sure your cut is clean and squared off.

-Once you have the plates bolted to the trannys and you have your middle piece, slide the trannys together. Make sure that theres no binding, and make sure that there is enough output shaft in the second tranny but not all the way in.
-Once everything is togethger and to your liking tack weld the middle piece to both plates on 4 corners.
-After it is tacked in make sure there is no binding.

I was told to keep the plates on the tranny while welded but i just couldnt get my welder in there so i pulled them off and welded them together. Mine works great with no binding so i guess it didnt warp at all.

Sounds like alot but its not "that" bad.

Im also intrested in making some for others. 

[Chad_Romine]

I dont have much expierence with the smaller toy trannys. I belive it will work but im not 100% sure.

With my wheelbase being what it is i could have a flatbelly and still have a decent driveshaft angle but I didnt really feal the need for it at this time.

Just for measures my rear yoke on my tcase is just past the crossmember in the middle of the frame. Whole setup is 5'2" 

[bluetoy84]

I don't understand?   Who gets the Darwin Award, you or the previous owner? Or both?  















Poor truck, it never had a chance. R.I.P.- 1st gen toy  

[Gittinit]

I don't understand?  

Poor truck, it never had a chance. R.I.P.- 1st gen toy  

Is it the fact that someone can take a common 20+ year old vehicle and cut it up, that disturbes you so much. 1st gen toyotas are more common than 1st gen runners or strait axle 2nd gen pickups. Most are rusted beat or in some state of misrepair. Why do people shed so many tears for them when the are modified by a resourceful owner? 

[Gittinit]

I have one more question. How thick are the plates that bolt to the trannies, for the adapter?

[Chad_Romine]

I don't understand?   Who gets the Darwin Award, you or the previous owner? Or both?  











Poor truck, it never had a chance. R.I.P.- 1st gen toy  

Kind of funny that you say that. Yeah the fenders and grill are gone but i thought it was kinda cool to salvage the bed and still have it functunial.

The truck was raped of its 4wd and had a 2wd setup, bricks as blocks, floped up brakes and steering, and you dont think it looks a little better now? just cause the fenders are cut?


Oh and i cant remember the exact size of the plate but i will measure it when i get home.

[bluetoy84]

it was kinda cool to salvage the bed and still have it functunial.

Is that what you call salvaged and functional?   

and you dont think it looks a little better now? just cause the fenders are cut?

Who said anything about the fenders.

The truck was raped

I agree.


You started a thread about a booty fabbed rig, removed the previous booty fab only to replace it with new booty fab. This rig has seen some serious booty fab. You are the king of booty fab. 

I was just wondering who got the Darwin Award  Sorry.

[Chad_Romine]

  dude go have a beer and chill out a bit.

Most people like the 1st gens because of the front fenders and grill. You said "Rip first gen toy" Thats why i thought you where refering to the fenders and grill being cut out.

What exactly on my truck is booty fabbd? How can you say im the "king of bottyfab" when you havent seen any of my builds in person?

If you dont have anything constructive to say about my build go look else where or just keep you mouth shut please.

[86bobbedtoy]

I dont care what people do to there rigs, I personally like clean daily driver rigs but of course they wont wheel near as hard, and I think that chads rig will wheel the hell out of 9 out of 10 rigs on here. Good luck and keep the pics coming. JUST MY 2 CENTS..

[86bobbedtoy]

booty fab before, savage now

[Gittinit]

dude go have a beer and chill out a bit.

What exactly on my truck is booty fabbd? How can you say im the "king of bottyfab" when you havent seen any of my builds in person?

If you dont have anything constructive to say about my build go look else where or just keep you mouth shut please.

well said!   

[Marlin]

Hey, just a note; As per your pic, you are running a G52/54 front trans attached to a G58 rear trans with a 2.57 chain drive t-case.
3.93x3.93x2.57x4.1=162:1.
I have never seen a low range gear set for a chain drive case. Where did you get it?
Or are you running a rear gear drive t-case with my adapter?
Pic of the rear t-case please.

[BigMike]

Yeah, good eyes Marlin, from his picture, he's got a G58 2nd transmission with a chaindrive t/case.

That means that boggerunner's triple case setup is lower than your dual trans setup:
3.95 (1990 W56) x 2.28 x 2.28 x 2.28 x 4.37 = 205:1

Futhure more, triple cases is more than a foot shorter than dual transmissions, I think.
Measurements from memory are 25.5" for a transmission, 13" for a geardrive tcase, and 6.5" for a crawl box. So that would be about 64" + Transmission Adapter (+4" ?) for a Dual Transmission and Single Transfercase setup and only 51.5" for a Single Transmission and Triple Transfercases. Of course the Dual Transmission setup is far cheaper and weaker!

Pretty cool triple setup, boggerunner. Do you have any pics of it? You will love the triple setup with 1 set of 4.70:1s. I've been running mine at 510:1 for over 2 years now.

Chad_Romine: Keep the pics coming I like your front fenders, its the first time I've seen it on a 1st gen. Love the first gens

BigMike

[BigMike]

Pretty cool triple setup, boggerunner. Do you have any pics of it?

Ahhhhhhh I just found them: http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=24586.40

[79coyotefrg]

you know  he could have used  a L43  in the front,  with a FROR  crossmember  to handle the torque.   and his  overall  set up  would be  what about 12 inches shorter      and would have held up fine for a trail rig 

[BigMike]

Running a L43 makes about as much sense as running dual G- or W-series transmissions as it is the weakest transmission Toyota has ever used in a Hilux.

[IronClad]

Glen i had once thought that. but i realized that if im killing reverse gears in a w56 with ease a l43 would never hold up.. though im not doing dual trannys anymore ( got me a mc07 a few months ago for 200 bucks ! ) in my current rig i am thinking about it  in another..and dual w56's are ideal  or the r151's (??)   screw it just run dual sm420s !  7.1 first gear and short as could be.


Chad i dig the build.  the front shackle angle is a bit.. odd..  but screw all the toyota purists !  hack that sucker up and wheel it.

to all you toyota purists..  move to california and you can buy all the 1st gens you want..  where i used to work we cut up about 3 a month !  good frames and body parts.  usually we get the trucks for free too.

[Chad_Romine]

Marlin:  It is a honar that you even looked at my build. 

I got my tranny specs from the pirate4x4 toy faq.

The front tranny came out of a 86 non efi toy pickup. g52/54 with a 3.93 first gear.
Rear tranny came out of a sencond gen runner. g58 with a 3.93 first gear.

I bought a 4.7 gearset awile back but never installed it. I bought it for the tcase that came out of the 86 and figured it would work for the g58 but after just reading it wont. so that sucks. 


This setup was almost free. Thats why i built it.

I plan on building my 91 runner sometime in the near future for dd/weekend wheeling. If This setup doesnt break i plan on running a 3rz/r150f/r150f/4.7case.

If it breaks it breaks. (Then i go r150f/triple tcase.

[Chad_Romine]

Glen i had once thought that. but i realized that if im killing reverse gears in a w56 with ease a l43 would never hold up.. though im not doing dual trannys anymore ( got me a mc07 a few months ago for 200 bucks ! ) in my current rig i am thinking about it  in another..and dual w56's are ideal  or the r151's (??)   screw it just run dual sm420s !  7.1 first gear and short as could be.


Chad i dig the build.  the front shackle angle is a bit.. odd..  but screw all the toyota purists !  hack that sucker up and wheel it.

to all you toyota purists..  move to california and you can buy all the 1st gens you want..  where i used to work we cut up about 3 a month !  good frames and body parts.  usually we get the trucks for free too.

My brother n law and i are going to be working on dual sm420s for his fullsize.

Whats wrong with my front shackle angle? haha

haha here in california its mostly tweakers rocking the first generation toyotas, And theres very few that i have seen that have rust.

Thanks for the support.

[Bazzi]

interesting...

[IronClad]

My brother n law and i are going to be working on dual sm420s for his fullsize.

Whats wrong with my front shackle angle? haha

haha here in california its mostly tweakers rocking the first generation toyotas, And theres very few that i have seen that have rust.

Thanks for the support.

absolutely nothin is wrong with it !  its a wheeler man.  ive just never seen anyone rock  quite a lazy shackle angle  without it colapsing on every bump but hey if it works for you more power to you !.   my suspension on my truggy should have never worked  ( 2 link radius arm setup with no panhard ) but it did and it worked awesome.

[BigMike]

The front tranny came out of a 86 non efi toy pickup. g52/54 with a 3.93 first gear.

So it is a G54 then

I bought a 4.7 gearset awile back but never installed it. I bought it for the tcase that came out of the 86 and figured it would work for the g58 but after just reading it wont. so that sucks. 

Well actually we have an adapter to go from a G58 chaindrive to a gear drive t/case. Surprisingly enough, we have never sold one before, that is why we were pretty certain that you don't have one yet.

I plan on building my 91 runner sometime in the near future for dd/weekend wheeling. If This setup doesnt break i plan on running a 3rz/r150f/r150f/4.7case.

I would HIGHLY NOT RECOMMEND using the dual G- OR dual W- transmissions with a 2nd gen 4Runner! Even a 1st gen Hilux is too much of a load for dual W-series transmissions.
As for the R-series, yes that would be the definite way to go for dual transmissions, but I have never heard of anyone doing it yet. You would want to use a R151F as your second transmission since a gear drive t/case will bolt right up to it, and Keep in mind that you will need to have a coupler developed for it since the input on a R-series is 21-spline and the output is 23-spline. It will not be a plug-n-play like the L- G- and W-series transmissions are.

If it breaks it breaks. (Then i go r150f/triple tcase.

Now you're talking Here is Marlin's R151F with Triple Billet Marlin Crawlers:

haha here in california its mostly tweakers rocking the first generation toyotas

What part of California is that?

[79coyotefrg]

Glen i had once thought that. but i realized that if im killing reverse gears in a w56 with ease a l43 would never hold up..

but the 43  would be bolted to the engine,  if its  a buggy  it wouldnt need a powerful engine  just  something that could run upside down   

to all you toyota purists..  move to california and you can buy all the 1st gens you want..  where i used to work we cut up about 3 a month !  good frames and body parts.  usually we get the trucks for free too.

   

[Gittinit]

As for the R-series, yes that would be the definite way to go for dual transmissions, but I have never heard of anyone doing it yet. You would want to use a R151F as your second transmission since a gear drive t/case will bolt right up to it, and Keep in mind that you will need to have a coupler developed for it since the input on a R-series is 21-spline and the output is 23-spline. It will not be a plug-n-play like the L- G- and W-series transmissions are.
Now you're talking Here is Marlin's R151F with Triple Billet Marlin Crawlers:

Man that is sweeeeeet, although there is more cash in that bell/trans/case/case/case  setup than I have in my whole rig. I could probably even hang with yours and marlins rigs on a good day. Well mabey? I think all the bling is great, Just whish I had the dough.

[Chad_Romine]

Thank you very much for telling me that the output on the r series tranny is 23 spline. I had no idea and that would have been a very expensive mistake 

I guess it is going to be r series tranny with triple tcase. Do you know offhand how long that setup would be?

I live in the northern bay area and 1st gen toyotas are cheap and everywhere. Most are beatup but running great and rust free.  So thats usally why the "misguided" buy them.


That setup is beautiful.

[BigMike]

The R151F is only about 3/4" longer than a G- or W-series transmission, I think. Whatever it is, its for sure less than 2" longer.

So for a R151F with dual crawl boxes and a transfercase (triple setup), roughly estimated, it'll be just a hair longer than what I calculated out on the previous page, somewhere around 52-54" I believe.

[rockscrambler]

if it works who cares what it looks like ?

[unclejpl4x4]

if it works who cares what it looks like ?

are we talking 6pk or 12pk looking  ....



That is one long drive line