Author Topic: boy do i ever need more flex.....whats the ideal poor man set up?? (Read 5971 times)

trailhunter · « **on:** Jul 28, 2005, 12:53:25 AM »

I'm running a pro comp 4inch lift in my 85 4runner and I'm not to happy about its performance. It doesn't flex nearly enough and the front passanger side spring is sagging AGAIN...........(iIve already broke a rear main and had a leaf added to both front springs and it still sags)

The shackles in the front doesn'look right to me..........they're almost 90 degree's with the frame at rest. And when i flex the truck out the springs dont wanna drop to much.(even with no shocks)

I was thinking about taking the rears out and putting them in the front and getting some Chevy's for the rear.
What would you guys do??

I want to know the best and cheapest way to set this thing up?

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #1 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 01:05:14 AM »

Rears up front and broncoII's or s-10's in the rear. Projunk makes total crap suspension for yota's. As you've learned the hard way..

mr4x42u · « **Reply #2 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 03:49:35 AM »

another pro crap happy customer..

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #3 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 08:36:26 AM »

Sounds like you have the extended springs and someone didn't move the mounts. At rest those shackles should angle slightly to the rear, and the springs are bending and breaking because of this too when the shackles bottom out on the frame and the springs have nowhere to go.

trailhunter · « **Reply #4 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 10:36:44 AM »

Wahts the ideal poor man set up?

Rocksurfer · « **Reply #5 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 10:40:30 AM »

Quote from: trailhunter on Jul 28, 2005, 10:36:44 AM

Wahts the ideal poor man set up?

Downey

decyfer · « **Reply #6 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 10:45:03 AM »

my poor man setup is stock toy rears up front with a lift leaf thrown in and stock rears out back. just used a longer shackle. but its getting replaced with 5" alcans in the next couple weeks

trailhunter · « **Reply #7 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 11:00:48 AM »

how much lift will my 4inch rear springs give my truck if i put them in the front?

decyfer · « **Reply #8 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 11:04:13 AM »

my guess is around 3 inches. the weight of your engine make it sit lower

Tice · « **Reply #9 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 12:53:16 PM »

I use some unknown rear lift(4inches) in the front and stock with 2 Cherroke springs in the rear with longer shackles. There's enough room to clear 36 in IROK's with minor trimming!!!!

In total the only thing I spent was time, espeacilly the front. I'm now on my 3rd and hopfully last set!! $:-\$ \ .

trailhunter · « **Reply #10 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 06:17:58 PM »

when you guys use toy rears up front do you take the big thick leaf out thats on the bottom of the pack?

toybuilt · « **Reply #11 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 09:23:40 PM »

Yes take the over lode leaf off and put an add a leaf in the front or else you will W the springs. I'd recommend 63" chevy springs for the rear, there only around $70 for a pair at pick in pull.

trailhunter · « **Reply #12 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 09:46:51 PM »

what about the centering pins on the toy rears..........should i relocate it?

toybuilt · « **Reply #13 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 09:59:48 PM »

no, it makes them weaker if you drill another hole in the spring. Just add a leaf and put them in, the spring will move your axle 2 inches forword from stock.

trailhunter · « **Reply #14 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 11:35:13 PM »

there goes the fender rub

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #15 on:** Jul 28, 2005, 11:43:03 PM »

You want the poor mans suspension that kicks aftermarket suspensions ass? Go read $300 in the projects section. Page 9-25ish has all the buildup of my truck. Its stable offroad which is something you dont get with many aftermarket leaf setups unless you spend $$$$$$.

trailhunter · « **Reply #16 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 12:23:18 AM »

thanks dude..............that one hell of a thread

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #17 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 04:58:02 AM »

One hell of a thread it is...do you have x-over, you will need it for the rears up front as the flex will be lots and the axle moving forward will make push-pull nearly unuseable.

decyfer · « **Reply #18 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 08:05:37 AM »

my toy rears are so crazy flexy that i actually broke my steering box off the frame the other day. in my driveway at that. i drove up a big ol rock and pop there goes my steering. good thing i was only twenty feet from the garage

red90runner · « **Reply #19 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 08:05:56 AM »

you should check out RockMolester's 1985 4runner on pirate4x4.com. He has the 4" rear pro comp leafs in the front and 63" chevies in the rear. He is clearing 36" iroks and now 37" SSR's. Plus he loves those leafs on the front and he says they flex great too. Check it out. I will try to post a link.
-Pat

red90runner · « **Reply #20 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 08:12:03 AM »

here are some links to RockMolester's 4runner:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347458&page=2
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309352
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54469&page=1&pp=25

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #21 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 08:21:05 AM »

Quote from: decyfer on Jul 29, 2005, 08:05:37 AM

my toy rears are so crazy flexy that i actually broke my steering box off the frame the other day. in my driveway at that. i drove up a big ol rock and pop there goes my steering. good thing i was only twenty feet from the garage

Did you not properly brace the frame??? Or do you need some limiting straps?

trailhunter · « **Reply #22 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 09:16:31 AM »

Quote from: red90runner on Jul 29, 2005, 08:12:03 AM

here are some links to RockMolester's 4runner:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347458&page=2
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309352
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54469&page=1&pp=25

slick dude thanks

Quote from: CTENG on Jul 29, 2005, 04:58:02 AM

One hell of a thread it is...do you have x-over, you will need it for the rears up front as the flex will be lots and the axle moving forward will make push-pull nearly unuseable.

not right now but im on my way over to get a IFS box right as we speak.........ill do it all at the same time.

decyfer · « **Reply #23 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 10:12:28 AM »

Quote from: CTENG on Jul 29, 2005, 08:21:05 AM

Did you not properly brace the frame??? Or do you need some limiting straps?

the p.o. didn't brace it enough. it was on my to do list but now its at the top. and to top it off i was going to order the brace kit from front range and theyr'e closed till next week. it was on the up travel. my springs went negative

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #24 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 10:25:02 AM »

Then perhaps a good brace and a BUMPSTOP!!!!

decyfer · « **Reply #25 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 10:29:01 AM »

Quote from: CTENG on Jul 29, 2005, 10:25:02 AM

Then perhaps a good brace and a BUMPSTOP!!!!

i'm gonna brace and get a more high clearance drop pitman arm. i have alcans coming so that should be fun. a little lift a little flex. all around that will be a good day

CTENG in KS · « **Reply #26 on:** Jul 29, 2005, 11:13:19 AM »

Kool, alcans are some nice shite. I am waiting to see if I am going to have a need for flat pitman arm too...that sky arm is money though. Don't know why they couldn't jusy make one outa regular steel.

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