Tacoma 4 cyl 2.4/2.7L engine swap?

[TrailsLessTraveled]

HI, I'm new to this list and am building my first Toyota. I  bought an 89 4x4 22re Toyota to build a multi-purpose daily driver, prerunner and parts hauler out of. The stock 4 cyl is still running good, but looking down the road- I'm debating whether to sink any money into it. Even after spending a few grand into a head, cam and or turbo kit, etc. power output would be modest. Supra swaps are an option, but what about the 2.4 or 2.7L Tacoma motor? Seems like that would keep it small and light, but give decent HP. TRD just started making superchargers for these, and it seems like a pretty attractive swap to me. Would it be best to swap motor and tranny to stock transfer case, or will the taco motor bolt up to the old transmission? Not worried about fabricating motor mounts, etc. but wiring is a big ? for me. Can anyone help with advice, experience, just trying to get it all sorted out. Thanks.

[rEdnECkwHeE1eR]

your moved!

[TrailsLessTraveled]

Sorry if I posted in the wrong catagory- But FOR SALE/WANTED TO BUY? Where should this have been directed?

[hawaii500_1999]

if it were me i would have put it in the tech area.  there is a thread with a lot of different motor swaps and the folks talk about them here it is.

http://64.246.40.82/~marlincrawler/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=techsup;action=display;num=1022728295

have fun.

[TrailsLessTraveled]

Thanks, I'll try reposting there. Should the topic be removed from this area?

[TrailsLessTraveled]

Come on guys, any suggestions? If someone hasn't already attempted this swap and figured out the drivetrain and electrical/wiring issues, it looks like I'll be sinking some $ into the 22re. Before I do, any comments? I'm open to input- THanks

[dan_b]

I think you should go for it.
That would be a good combination.                      
I swaped a 3.4 in to my '86.

DAN  

[mr4x42u]

i don't know how the swap will go in you toy because yours is fi,,i am doing the swap in my 84 runner..so far going well..Need to get the adapter for the t-case because the toco t-case is on the wrong side.Plus its chain drive .I got a whole truck from an auction for an awesome price.It was a real ugly rainy day,no one showed up and I got it for 2,200$.I have got half that back in parts sold off it,plus the steering box for hy steer and all the wireing and computer stuff I need.I am using the trans too.Trk ony has 42K on it..any way its a prety simple swap.The hard part is wiring and exhaust,and some fuel line work for the high pressue.anyway i am really happy with the way its going.I went to the wrecking yard and found a hashed frame,had them cut it in half so I can build and mock everything right there with no problems and its easy to work on.I also did not want my runner down during the swap.when done i will basicly have a kit ready to swap in for a weekend project if all goes well...keep in touch.I am building plans,pics and how too's for future reference for guy wanting to do the same.i was thinking of building a kit to sell to do the whole thing but I don;t think it wil be popular enough to make it worth my time..anyways..take care...shawn :up:

[BigMike]

HI, I'm new to this list and am building my first Toyota.

Welcome  

Even after spending a few grand into a head, cam and or turbo kit, etc. power output would be modest. Supra swaps are an option, but what about the 2.4 or 2.7L Tacoma motor?

You've already got the 2.4L engine (22R) so were looking at the Taco 4 cyl as the ideal swap engine.

One of these days I am going to get an early 80s Toy and swap in the DOHC 2.7 as well. As I have not done it nor heard about anyone doing it yet, it is a perfect choice! Did you know that the 2.7 4cyl makes the same amount of HP as the old 3.0L V6 with just 5 ft-lbs tq less? Toyota did a decent job with the 2.7, a load more HP than the R-motors with a bit more Torque to boot. Power upgrades will go the farthest on the 2.7, maybe even compared to the 3.4 L, just on a smaller scale.
And for swapping, I believe the stock 2.7L 5spd transmission's belhousing will bolt right up to a W series trans, so just run your W56 that you already have and away you go - Crawlers / T/case Gears / Skys the limit!

Seems like that would keep it small and light, but give decent HP.

This is the #1 reason I want to stay 4cyl. I have become quite gifted with custom SCs, so ive got a niche for pumping the power out of small engines. I really feel that lightweight is the way to go. ahh damnit I wish I had more money to own 2 vehicles and insurance!

Regards,
BigMike

[mr4x42u]

I saw the ic of your s/c..looked nice,,what did you use and what was it on?looked lke a supra or somthing..what did you have into it dollor wise?

[BigMike]

You got it, its a Mk4 Supra IC.

Its been sitting outside for a while, and infact I just sold it this week.

Back in June I learned that physical Intercoolers are for babies and people who think in a more traditional manner. But for Fourwheeling, unfortunately you must use an IC, even though your moving pretty slow, your out on the trail for long peroids of time and theres is just no way around it.

Dont be to shocked, its on my only ride, an 87' Toyota MR2.
But its ok, I have no rice on my car. It's all function for me.

Heres a top shot of my 1st rebuild installed:


Today I am running the same engine, just version 2:


But getting back to the thread, here is a shot of the SC setup and throttle body:


17 PSI of 2.5" intake piping sure is fun!

As far as cost, I added everything up once, and I put just over 2k in my 1st rebuild (the first pictured engine) and then about $400 went into my 2nd version of my 1st rebuild (the other 3 pics).

Hell, I dont mind saying, Including my damn car with the imported engine, the mods done to it, my suspension setup, wheels/tires, etc everything I have done from having no car to where I am now has costed my just under $6k. So I figure If I had bought some car for $6k just to start with, well sheesh, thats the same as what Ive done! And no stock $6k car is going to pull 4.8s in 0-60mph and a 13.1 in the 1/4mile!

Regards,
BigMike

ps. I removed some pics and info to clean up this post. Sorry I am posting info about my ride here-

[lowjack]

BigMike - FYI:

The 2.4 Tacoma engine is not the 22R, it is a 2RZ, similar mechanically to the 2.7, aka 3RZ. The 3RZ and 2RZ are both DOHC 16v engines, and the TRD blower will fit either (I believe). Though if I were to do the swap, I'd opt for the 2.7 with it's higher HP and torque in essentially the same package size.

[BigMike]

Wow, I never knew Toyota made an additional 2WD Engine. Toyota is just getting worse and worse huh.. :unhappy: Thanks for the correction! I suppose I should have read the title, eh? canadian eh?

I cant believe they offer a Weak 4cyl, then a Strong 4cyl, and then a top model V6. Ever since 1985 Toyota has played straight and offered two entry engines, a bottom level and a top level. You had your Carbed or EFI, then the EFI or Turbo (hmm.. that messes my theory up, still offered carb then), and then 4cyl EFI or V6. But now they have bottom, middle, and top levels. I know its just the 2WD model, but Toyota continues to piss me off with what they send over to the States. I could start a whole nother thread here just for that.

Everyone have a good weekend!
BigMike

[BigMike]

I asked Marlin and he said that any G-series and any W-series will bolt right up to the Taco's 4cyls. The 4WD Taco comes with a W59, and thats the same for W56's, G54's, G52's, and any other G- or W-series trans, 2WD or 4WD for that matter. Just use the W-series _RZ Bellhousing and your set!

Regards,
BigMike

[mr4x42u]

Hey don't feel bad..Thats how I felt while in tahiti for vacation..Pissed me off to see all the cool toyota stuff running around.everything stright axle up till what looked like about 93-95..Hard to tell the year do to the very different headlights and grill.Ecen up to 95 the look like 89's.. :b_s: :b_s:The disel they offer is stout too..that would be nice to have as well..Its just not fair the u.s gets the crap while other places get the goods.

[BigMike]

I piss on Honda because they are beating Toyota in America while Toyota dominates in every other country in the world, they just choose not to send us their best and strongest engines, which FYI are better than Hondas and their torqueless VTEC crap.

I think I should add a pissing Calvin smiley huh?

[lowjack]

I dunno, the 2.7 is a pretty decent engine, and it is the one used in the foreign-market HiLux and other overseas Toyota offerings. It may not be as powerful as it should be (2700cc, twin cam, 16v - and only 150hp???), but it's even more reliable than the 22R from what I've heard.

[BigMike]

Well that engine replaced a legend. The 22R had been used ever since its debout in 81' till 95'. It may be the longest lifespan for any of Toyota's engines, so the 2.7 has to be good. But I think Toyota is getting things right these days, but no live axles since 85', no Superchargers since 89' (sure there's TRD now but thats aftermarket), no Turbos since 95', and begining in 91' Toyota used their DIS (Distrubitor less ignition) DFI (direct fire) multiple coil MAP (Manifold absolute press) sensored motors and not until the 96' did we get those gewdies on the 3.4 Taco; Even Aus / N.Z. / England were seeing those things back in 91'. Not to mention Higher compression and stronger ECU's (smog laws). But my strong argument is that only America is left out. Maybe Japan just wants to dominate us, but if thats the case, then where are the C5 spankers, the Twin Turbo 400 HP stock Supras? They are dead in the US..

But that 2.7 L Engine is a beast to say the least. When I get a rig I am going to find a rolled Taco and swap in a 2.7 for sure!

Regards,
BigMike

ps. Sorry for tainting TrailsLessTraveled's post with my car pics. I have taken down some.

[mr4x42u]

I piss on Honda because they are beating Toyota in America while Toyota dominates in every other country in the world, they just choose not to send us their best and strongest engines, which FYI are better than Hondas and their torqueless VTEC crap.

I think I should add a pissing Calvin smiley huh?

That would be a nice touch..Till then do this
    :~~:hOnDa           kiss my  :moon:hOnDa
      
hOnDa :change:        hOnDa=     honda makes me  

 :up: :up:

[BigMike]

Toyota 2.7 and 3.4 L Engines:  :up:

[lowjack]

Maybe Japan just wants to dominate us, but if thats the case, then where are the C5 spankers, the Twin Turbo 400 HP stock Supras? They are dead in the US..



Most of those decisions are made by the offices in the US, not Japan. It's all about marketing. The SUV market segment is the fastest growing in this country, and easily the most lucrative. Sportscars are a shrinking market by comparison. We used to have awesome Japanese cars - look at things like the Celica All-trac, twin-turbo supra, or Nissan's awesome lineup in the early 90's. If they don't sell, they stop making them.

Although, some of the new offerings are bringing some of that performance back. Now, if they could just squeeze that GS430 V8 into an IS300 chassis...

[BigMike]

Although, some of the new offerings are bringing some of that performance back.

That's for sure. Subaru WRX (although not as powerful as in Japan), Mazda RX8, Nissan 350Z, and soon the new awesome Evolution IV is coming over and that will walk all over the Subaru WRX.

Now, if they could just squeeze that GS430 V8 into an IS300 chassis...

Hah, you know in Japan the Lexus IS300 is known as the Toyota Altezza, and it comes out of the factory with a twin turbo V6!!

Most of those decisions are made by the offices in the US, not Japan. It's all about marketing.

Here is how someone once explained it to me. It is quite interesting and I would like to share it.

Think about it on a Credit system. Toyota sees America's market and wants to sell some cars here. So America says "Toyota, we will give you 60 Credits this year." So Toyota asks to Import their Camary. America says "hmm that's much better than our Ford Contour/Taurus/Crown Victoria/etc, much better than our Chevy Caprice/Cavalier/etc, much better than our Dodge etc... so that will cost you 15 Credits."

So now Toyota has 45 Credits left. Then Toyota says, ok I want to import our Tercel. America says "ok that cars a little POS I want to poop on it so that will be 2 Credits."

So now Toyota has 43 Credits left. Then Toyota says, ok I would like to import our AE111 Levin with a 20 valve 1.6L 4AGE 180 Horsepower non-VTEC--old valve technology that makes more power and torque throughout the entire power band than Honda's much larger 2.2 L VTEC engines and we would like to import our Twin Turbo Supra. Then America says "hmm that 4 Cylinder engine is better than any other 4 cylinder that we American auto makers choose to develop, and that Supra is about as fast as our C5 Z06 Corvette, faster than our Camaro, Mustang POS I want to poop on it, Firebird, etc. and America says, ok that will be 50 Credits."

So Toyota does not have that many credits left, so they can not sell those cars here unless they hurt their lineup somewhere else.

So what does Toyota and Honda and Nissan do? They "create" sister, or daughter companies, Toyota > Lexus, Honda > Acura, Nissan > Infinity. Now They all get a fresh clean sheet of Credits at their disposal!

So that is how I have been informed the system works. It sounds reasonable and believable, but I have never actually researched this myself, but it is very interesting non the less!

Regards,
BigMike

[rEdnECkwHeE1eR]

Well then who the hell desides we don't get all this cool crap?

[BigMike]

Car & Driver with their "THUMBS DOWN BECAUSE THE SOLID AXLE RIDES TO ROUGH FOR OUR PRISSY AMERICAN ASSES"

[rEdnECkwHeE1eR]

Have they ever riden in a Land Rover Disco?? Huh??
That was the smothest ride I have ever rode.

[BigMike]

Hey, Only In America.

When you see some busted up Ford Tempo with bags of trash in the back seat and crap on the drivers dash, just say Only In America.

Regards,
BigMike
Only In America

[mr4x42u]

witch is even more bunk due to the fact that japan is so over populated I wonder where they get to drive all the fast cars..I guess six blocks up and back..maybe through the rice feilds..I will totaly agree with the car and driver issue and the american sissy ass..In the end we burned our own ass..well not us but the american people.it aleays has to be more comfort then function.. :b_s: :b_s: :b_s:
ITS AN OUTRAGE :cry:

[BigMike]

Have you seen how many JDM engine importers there are these days? And they are extremely successful! That should show Toyota and the other companies what citizens here would do if only... Look at me, I'm about ready to jump in my '87 car and head to school with my '91-93 JDM Imported Engine.

Now getting back to the Tacomas... This thread has been Hijacked!

[TrailsLessTraveled]

Damn Guys, this is a cool list. Thanks for all of the replies and advice. Unfortunately, I hit a deer a few weeks ago and the insurance company totaled the truck. I bought it back from salvage, but ended up buying a 4wd Taco yesterday. It's already got the 2.7L/5spd, and I think I'll supercharge it. The Taco is going to be my pre-run/daily driver (but my projects usually get out of hand quickly-like all of yours, I'm sure)
I'm new to this Toyota stuff, but I've been building crawlers for a while; I attached a pic of my Jeep. Thanks for the help, hope to go wheeling with some of you guys soon, and throw more tech back and forth. Is this list based mostly in northern CA? I'm in the bay area too.

[mr4x42u]

Sweet jeep!! :up: :up:Yea,,a hijacked thred but this same thing is on another thred with my runner 2.7 swap so all is not lost...