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how long would this have been if you have had time to participate?
We can all share stories of how my X Toyota model went X miles and I only had X things break and it only cost me X through it's lifetime. But the only way to answer your question is to 1) Purchase a brand new unmodified Toyota yourself, 2) only use the vehicle for its original intent, and 3) perform all proper scheduled maintenance to maximize the possibility of the machine lasting as long as possible. Then and only then will you be able to know how reliable a Toyota is--or isn't, because as 300k said unless you do a full tear down and rebuild with proper OEM or OEM-quality parts you'll never know what was done to the machine by the prior owner(s) or how it was (mis)treated.
Once I began that third paragraph it went all downhill from there
This may be related, but I've noticed that Toyota will use parts for years and years carrying them forward to new models.
.... That would help provide info on both sides of the argument.Regards,BigMike
Do you remember the Chevrolet/GM commercial a few years ago that proclaimed that they had matched Toyota's quality? Seems like they not only acknowledged Toyota as the standard for quality, but they also admitted to not having matched it in the past.
I can relate. My 1987 TOY 22r at 147000 miles has has a Radiator, Clutch, Brakes, Alternator, Oil Change w/ CASTROL GTX every 5,000. Prestone every season. Now have a blown head gasket.My 1994 F150, 300 I6, has 325000 miles. AC blows cold, taught two teenage boys how to drive is still parked at the Dorms (Junior Year), Oil change every 5000 Penz 10-30. Brakes, Prestone every season.I love my TOY,. love my F150. F150 more reliable.
Again, Lewis, you seem to enjoy abnormal-out-of-the-box thinking.I don’t believe there is much logical, intellectual, or even anecdotal debate here.There is SO much evidence regarding Toyota reliability it’s an absurdity to debate it.
I’m on my 4th Toyota truck and 14th Toyota vehicle since 1986. It would take too long and too many pages to describe the incredible reliability I’ve experienced.
Why do I see hundreds of Toyota trucks being towed and going to south of the border? I don’t see them towing any Fords!Today in automotive racing, Toyota is kicking a$$ in NASCAR, arguably a testimony to Toyota’s automotive engineering genius, while maintaining the most reliable production car maker on the planet.Toyota is the largest automobile manufacturer in the world and for decades has historically dominated the top 10 list of the most reliable cars in the world in every category.
Lewis, if you want evidence of Toyota reliability and automotive engineering you need to do some research. In about 10 minutes of internet research, alone, there should be enough factual evidence to satisfy a reasonably skeptical person….. that may not be you?
Maintenance and abuse factors are another topic, however there is plenty of research and published studies on that. Again, Toyota has historically dominated the top 10, and has 5 models on the list of 10 car manufacturers rated as the least expensive to maintain.
With all that said, there is still lots of evidence and history of the automotive manufacturer's that have the highest reliability statistics.
There is no argument. Gnarls.
My knowledge is specific to Toyota (more on this below) but I think emsvitil makes a strong point and to expound it is worthy to note that Toyota has used approximately a 10-year engine cycle schedule. Consider the following:22R: 1981-199022R-E: 1985-19953RZ-FE: 1995-20042TR-FE: 2005-2015 (2nd gen Tacoma), 2016+ (3rd gen Tacoma)5VZ-FE: 1995-20042UZ-FE: 2000-2009 (1st + 2nd gen Tundra)And then there are particularly good engines that were in production for even longer:1FZ-FE: 1993-2007 -- 14 yrs4A-GE (my fav engine of all time): 1983-1998 -- 15 yrs3S-GE: 1984-2000 -- 16 yrs2F: 1975-1988 -- 23 yrs....and so on. Conversely, you look at Nissan, and during a similar 10-year lifespan of the Hardbody (1987-97) according to Wikipedia there were 12 different engines used. I remember when Marlin was a general automotive mechanic he would complain how there were so many different date ranges for Nissan engines that it was a PITA to get the right parts ordered.
My friend who works for Mercedes says it this way: Mercedes is more cool than Toyota because they use the newest unproven technology however Mercedes breaks down all the time and is so unreliable because they use the newest unproven engine technology. Many people myself included say Toyota is boring.
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