Author Topic: is wider better??wheels? (Read 3641 times)

dov'd85 · « **on:** Apr 21, 2006, 07:24:53 AM »

ok so i have heard it both ways wider wheels are better..some say skinny wheels hold the beed better.... i am getting 38 16.5.15 tsl sx's and i want to know what wheel will work best without getting a beed lock... i still drive on the street and i don't have the money for beedlocks... thanks

james

Brandon · « **Reply #1 on:** Apr 21, 2006, 11:48:26 AM »

I have found alloys hold a beat a lot better than steelies, personally I like wide. You end up riding the wheel more on the rocks but the alloys just sort of grind rather than bend like steel. I'd say it is preferance..

I suggest 10's - I dunno that anything wider is necessary but then again I have never ran a tire that wide..

blackdiamond · « **Reply #2 on:** Apr 21, 2006, 12:18:59 PM »

I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but I would agree that narrower wheels should hold a bead better at low pressure. I would get a wheel that is on the narrow end of the manufacture specified width range.

whiteman · « **Reply #3 on:** Apr 22, 2006, 08:58:42 AM »

I have my 35x14.5-15 boggers on a 15x8 wheel. They are ballooned pretty bad at 25 psi.
I have not got to drive my truck yet so i dont have a lot of feedback, but I am pretty sure at low psi I will not have a problem, infact I think they are going to kick ass. They will just wear fast on the street, with only 4" of the tread space touching

gabriul · « **Reply #4 on:** May 05, 2006, 05:17:44 AM »

Definatly depending on your aplication.
Mudding in deep wet mudd the more narrow tire would dig down to harder sufface, while the wide would tend to almost float, and simpley enough gum up and go nowhere.

However for offroad racing, a mid to wider tire is better for more stability.

The outlandish 12.5 up to 16 wide tires are best in sand and such loose lome that unlimited traction is atainable, or where you have to float on water.

In regards to wider or more narrow rims holding a bead better, the Alloys would hold "better". But not significantly. If you have a tire that is slyghtly wider than your rim, one would get the best bead grip without getting bead locks.

I'm sure you are aware that street use of bead locks is illeggal, I dont' really know why, but it is.

At anyrate, if you do any serious wheeling with low pressure I would definatly suggest forking over for beaders.

RustyToy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 05, 2006, 07:22:59 AM »

i think not being street legal has somthing todo with they can't be balanced.... but thats just a guess

Crawler677 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 05, 2006, 08:30:27 AM »

i saw an add for something called "Staun Beadlocks" in petersons, they can be used with any conventional rim and i beileve are street legal, i'm lookin at gettin em for my mickey Thompson classic lock 2's (which i absolutely love because the fake beadlock works as a sort of rock ring, protecting the lip of the rim)

as to the width, idk, i'm running 16x8's with 305/75R16 BFG M/T's which is nowhere near what your gonna be running, but the "ratio" has worked well on the trail and the street

Wermz84 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 05, 2006, 09:54:36 AM »

Quote from: RustyToy on May 05, 2006, 07:22:59 AM

i think not being street legal has somthing todo with they can't be balanced.... but thats just a guess

I always thought it was because the D.O.T. wanted to try and bullet proof everything. Not just letting anybody have bolt together wheels driving down the highway. Probably the same reason why modular wheels arnen't street legal.

probably a little of both.

I'm debating between 15x8's and 15x10's, so I'm just signing up for this thread..

crapyota · « **Reply #8 on:** May 05, 2006, 10:59:36 AM »

james you've seen my set up 15x10 wheels with 35x14.5 boggers i have ran as low as 8lbs and havent lost a beed.
i have heard you cant drop down preesure with 16.5 wheels? you should check about that. airing down is a crucial thing around here

dane · « **Reply #9 on:** May 06, 2006, 04:11:29 PM »

I have never seen a law actually stating that beadlocks are not street legal. I have a dot approved set on my 4runner right now. I prefer a narrower wheel to hold the bead, when I ran my 15.5" wide 38 tsls on 8"rims and never had a problem. Also, if your rim size is 16.5" you will have to have beadlocks if you plan on dropping the pressure at all. 16.5"'s dont have a safety bead and will roll of the rim like butter.

Dane

gabriul · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2006, 07:09:11 PM »

Thats good to hear dane. By technicallity, people are simply not allowed to run ANY rim, tire, or anything on a vehicle that is not DOT approved.

With that in mind, ther are very fewbeadlock rims available that are DOT approved. So, I wasn't very sure on the legallity of it, but I found a few guys that make ones that are legal. Rockathon Beadlock, RockLox, and Goudy Wheel are a couple.

I've had troubles in the past with beadlocks and my friends from out of state. that is why i even mention the legallity issues.
In the worste way, reality might set in, and the peace officer will just plain site you for being human and not really care about the DOT approval methods of your rims.
Sadly, that must be the case's that I'm refering to.

cheap sunglasses · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2006, 10:30:52 PM »

Anybody tried the Eaton beadlocks? At 120 or 130 bucks a pop they seem to the cheapest around.
http://www.wheelingtire.com/catalog/Details.cfm?ProdID=118&category=7
As for legality, if the cop even knew what a beadlock is you could just say theyre sim beadlocks couldnt you?

And to steer back on the original topic, Ive read 15x8 is good for regular rims to help hold the bead, and 15x10 is good for beadlocks, presumably for a wider footprint. Anyone else heard this? (I probably read it on this board actually)

kyle_22r · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2006, 01:19:39 PM »

i've got a line on some 34x10.5 LTBs and wheels for a helluva deal. only thing is, they're 15x8s, i'd prefer 15x7s. anybody else think i'm worrying too much?

gabriul · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2006, 10:46:59 PM »

Willy Mammoth · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2006, 04:02:02 AM »

38/12.5 on 15 x 8's and have gotten rock rash with that. The 10" would cause the wheels to stick out of the tires even farther to get more damage.

I say the narrower wheel will keep the bead better and allow lower air pressure and a safety zone around the wheel. Also will cause the tire to balloon out more cause the side wall is not straight up and down with the wheel.

I don't have gobs of experience with the rocks so I am just theorizing.

kyle_22r · « **Reply #15 on:** May 19, 2006, 12:09:52 PM »

i'm not too terribly much of a rock guy, i just like doing trails and playing in the dirt mostly. i'm probably overly worried, hell, i've never even aired down...

dov'd85 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 24, 2006, 10:41:16 PM »

Quote from: kyle_22r on May 19, 2006, 12:09:52 PM

i'm not too terribly much of a rock guy, i just like doing trails and playing in the dirt mostly. i'm probably overly worried, hell, i've never even aired down...

ya your for sure overly worried if you don't ever air down, 7's are to narrow i say 8's i just sold a set of 34x10.5x15 LTB'S and they worked great i only broke one bead, but it was becaues i was running 6 pounds. i don't think you can air LTBs anyone lower then 10. anyway they were good tires mounted on 15/8 wheels they just weren't big enough, i looking at 38's or possible 39.5 iroks!

blackdiamond · « **Reply #17 on:** May 25, 2006, 07:09:40 AM »

Quote from: kyle_22r on May 18, 2006, 01:19:39 PM

i've got a line on some 34x10.5 LTBs and wheels for a helluva deal. only thing is, they're 15x8s, i'd prefer 15x7s. anybody else think i'm worrying too much?

10.50s should perform well and an 8 inch wheel should be fine. I have 12.50s on 10 inch wheels which is about the same difference.

I have dropped my pressure to about 8 on rock with no problems and about 5 in the snow (one started to leak a bit by the end of the day, I suspect it was about 3 psi (cold) as it warmed up quite a bit on the way to the gas station and was only at 6 psi.

kyle_22r · « **Reply #18 on:** May 25, 2006, 10:48:16 AM »

you know what, i think that's the guy that sold me my tires, lol...

skid · « **Reply #19 on:** May 25, 2006, 11:57:05 AM »

14.5 or wider tire, I'd reccomend 10" wide wheels. If your worried about losing a bead, you might want to look at different tires. Around here, Interco tires do not have a good reputation for bead retention. Goodyear mtr's seem to hold the best. Just sell a kidney and buy some Staun beadlocks.

furrballs95 · « **Reply #20 on:** Jun 08, 2006, 09:17:20 PM »

ive ran my 33.12.50.15 all the way down to 8psi on 10 in wide wheels never had a problem. plus i think that wider wheels look alot better, i hate when you see a big lifted truck and then they have reall skinny tires underneath it just my

vanguard · « **Reply #21 on:** Jun 11, 2006, 06:45:00 AM »

I run 255/85 (just over 33") and I mostly like them.

Pros:
1) The grip rocks great. They deform and key to the surface. This is probably their strongest point.
2) They hold their bead great. Several people that watch me wheel have said they've never seen a tire hold its bead as well as mine.
3) You can fit a taller tire with few problems when it's not wide too.
4) Less rolling resistance/better mpg.

Cons:
1) It doesn't stick out past the body. I'd have less body damage today if my tires stuck out and hit rocks before the body did.
2) Not as good in sand. (This isn't important to me but it could be to somebody else.)

302Toyota · « **Reply #22 on:** Jun 11, 2007, 09:03:16 PM »

Well its just a Play truck i have but i have a 87 toyota 4 inch lift with 15x14 chevy truck ralleys on 33/13.50x15 tsl LTB swampers and they just sling mud everywhere there dont do good climbing or really in the mud just does a good rooster tail of mud and looks bad ass on the road cause my wheels are wider than all the truck around town

leorn · « **Reply #23 on:** Jun 11, 2007, 10:45:26 PM »

I have tacoma 17 inch rims. with stauns. (7.5" wide) After using them I would like to have a wider rim. I feel it changes the lateral stability off-road. It will also wear the center of my lugs on road unless I run 20 psi or less. However it is a minimal difference (off-road) and I would probably do it over again. $280 shipped for 4 taco 17s and $100 ea for stauns. You can't get stauns for that price anymore btw.
I am more concerned with other mods for my truck at this point.

For a 15 inch wide tire I agree ~10 inch wide wheel w/o beadlock. w/ beadlocks I would get them per manufacturer's spec ideally.

85xcab · « **Reply #24 on:** Jun 12, 2007, 07:26:48 AM »

All of the 16.5 wheels I have looked at have a bead that tapers gradually out to the edge of the wheel. These wheels rely on air pressure more than standard car or pickup wheels to keep them on the bead. 16.5's are fine on the street but if you decide to air down you are much more likely to loose a bead imo.

jimbo74 · « **Reply #25 on:** Jun 12, 2007, 08:20:59 AM »

16.5s are good for heavy duty tires aired up all the time

they are no good if you plan to air down, the bead will come right off, as they do not have a traditional bead liek otehr sized rims

dov'd85 [OP]

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