true we get them from the bank where the wife works and go thru them, alot of work but im not doing anything, priced around and we can get $14 per pre 1965 .50 piece the rest hasnt been determend yet until I talk to the guy tomorrow, the wife knows him thru the bank so he said he is gonna give us a deal since she knows him and we have so much, so cross yer fingers, I'll let ya know how it goes tomorrow after I meet with him